Level 10 notes from IAO tech - please review and comment...

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  • cledford
    Registered User
    • Feb 2001
    • 1386

    #1

    Level 10 notes from IAO tech - please review and comment...

    I found my notes from the IAO tech conference. I typed them up to post here at AO for reference, but would ask that they be reviewed for accuracy first. Keep in mind that these are not installation instructions - just notes and general level-10 trivia I thought important enough to write down during Tom's lecture.

    If there are no errors I'll post them to the Level 10 thread.

    Thanks,

    -Calvin


    1. Pull trigger nothing happens = to much oring friction.

    2. vent hole size = 22/1000s of inch

    3. Shims should be used when leaking or bolt sticking only.

    4. 1.5/1000s = difference in each carrier size.

    5. Shims move oring closer to vent hole.

    6. To choose correct carrier slide onto bolt stem, it shouldn't fall off, but also shouldn't stick.

    7. !Use largest oring size that does not leak.

    8. When installing DO NOT oil carrier oring, it will cover up any small eaks which will develop when oil dries.

    9. Best carrier oring will feel like it's not there when sliding bolt back and forth in power tube.

    10. Step down carrier size 1/2 size at a time.

    11. Shims = to few will cause bolt stick, to many will cause leaking down barrel.

    12. Steps to tuning:

    - Nothing when pulling trigger = turn up velocity
    - Bang, hiss - turn up more
    - Shoots reliably, chrono
    - if velocity to low continue to turn up
    - If velocity to high change/trim/adjust main spring

    13. Level 10 produces a 10-15% reduction in efficiency.
    From a poster at PB Nation:

    ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

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  • Smokee_2_7
    Registered User
    • Nov 2000
    • 823

    #2
    Everything looks good to me.

    Thanks for the condensed notes! I just printed it off to go into my tech book at work!.

    Carl

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    • athomas
      Of course it works-its AGD
      • Jan 2002
      • 8039

      #3
      I'm not sure I totally agree with #3 and #11.

      Too many shims will cause leaking down the barrel. Too few will cause the bolt to possibly not reset when it stops on an object in the breach.

      Bolt stick is almost always caused by a carrier that is too tight rather than not enough shims.
      Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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      • joeyjoe367
        Confirmed 11 bps RT User!
        • May 2001
        • 1982

        #4
        #1 can also be caused by too-strong of a mainspring if your velocity is too low.

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        "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
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        • kevmaster
          Owners Group Div: Director
          • Oct 2001
          • 5475

          #5
          looks pretty good Cal...i have about the same in my notes

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          • Havoc_online
            www.havoc-online.com
            • Feb 2002
            • 2851

            #6
            3 and 11 are fine, lack of shims do cause bolt stick. If the carrier is what's causing it, then the fit was too tight for you to install in the first place.

            1. Pull trigger nothing happens = to much oring friction.

            *or velocity is too low(mentioned at bottom)

            8.When installing DO NOT oil carrier oring, it will cover up any small eaks which will develop when oil dries.

            *also gives false sense of friction. In order to keep the kit running properly you will have to constantly oil the o'ring.

            9. Best carrier oring will feel like it's not there when sliding bolt back and forth in power tube.

            *will ALMOST feel like it's not there

            11. Shims = to few will cause bolt stick, to many will cause leaking down barrel.

            *leaking down the barrel is usually a shim/loose carrier fitting but may also happen if the bolt stem shifts.

            12. Steps to tuning:

            If a leak out of the velocity adjuster happens when turning up the velocity to install a kit, you may need a new reg piston(possibilly a springpack).
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            • cledford
              Registered User
              • Feb 2001
              • 1386

              #7
              Havoc,

              Thanks, I'll make the updates to finish things out.

              -Calvin
              From a poster at PB Nation:

              ""Jim, back to your cave. Bob Long is on the batphone..."

              MY FEEDBACK

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