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[Drizit]

I haven't seen the video for the halo but one thing to keep in mind with the stock valve is that in around 1991 when the mag video was done stupid fast was about 9bps now that number has gone up a bit. also with a couple of changes you can get ridicules rates of fire out of the classic valve without shootdown. and hey the thing will cycle at 16bps but will you get shootdown is a different story. also I don't' know about in full auto but in semi I think the hyper stops you at 13 (I may be talking through me arse their I've never had one with power in my hands so my info there is just hearsay, feel free to correct me) the 16bps hyper could have been a custom programing job.

[Bearshirt]

Halo video wrong?

Originally posted by Drizit
I haven't seen the video for the halo but one thing to keep in mind with the stock valve is that in around 1991 when the mag video was done stupid fast was about 9bps now that number has gone up a bit. also with a couple of changes you can get ridicules rates of fire out of the classic valve without shootdown. and hey the thing will cycle at 16bps but will you get shootdown is a different story. also I don't' know about in full auto but in semi I think the hyper stops you at 13 (I may be talking through me arse their I've never had one with power in my hands so my info there is just hearsay, feel free to correct me) the 16bps hyper could have been a custom programing job.

Good point about the video! My Hyperframe can only shoot at a max of 13 bps in Semi-Auto mode and only 10 bps in Hyper or what most people call Turbo mode. Is the Halo video real? The reason I keep it at 8 bps is it loads and shoots amazing consistant and is more than enough for me. I wonder about why are RT's still legal, I'm sure my friend's RT shoots bursts at about 12 bps when it's going reactive. We don't have a timer, but counting balls in the hopper and shooting for a known amount of times seems to bear this out.

I go to Delta alot and I've talked to Bob Long and he said that all guns were going to be limited at about 9 bps semi-auto only next year. But the guns that have been made will still be legal, just the new guns will be limited my the manufacture.

/me shrugging...

[Drizit]

the reason the mag RT is legal is the technically it is one shot one pull. if you look at the mechanics of it your finger is making a complete cycle with the trigger for every shot. so it's not technically full auto. tippman RT's the sweet spot is so long that you have to try and miss it. with most mags it's hard to hit, and harder still to keep for more then 3 or 4 shots. the real idea with the mag is to speed up the return of the trigger so you can pull it again. in fact all that is just a side effect of how fast it's recharging. so if the fact that in a string of shots they will get hotter as you go.

[Bearshirt]

Which brings us back to the first question.

OK so what's the verdic?

1. Is a proberly operating, RT, Retro-valve worth it?

2.Or do you want that nice mouseclick trigger, that never short strokes?

So far my Hyperframe has shot perfectly, it breaks paint at 12 bps on the last shot only But never at 8 bps(hey why is that?). With good paint I hit what I aim at, 80-100 ft your mine.

The real cool thing about the RT for me, is being able to shoot single shots, get the target in range,and then buzzing off a short burst. It did take a while to get the feel, but when you got it, it wasn't that hard to repeat it.

I guess I'm still pineing for an RT or maybe
an E-mag.

[Drizit]

a properly operating, RT, Retro-valve is defiantly worth it. even with a hyper frame, with the stock classic valve you may see some shootdown.

and hey the runaway is cool providing your gun doesn't turn into a blender.

however if you love the electro mouse click feel then the hyper or boo-yahh is the way do go. (or an emag if you can get the coin for one and you like it's trigger )

the reason you chop paint at 12 and not at 8 is you aren't feeding fast enough. if you have a 9volt revvy upgrade to a 12volt, if you already have one then try an X-board and the new paddles. for a demonstration of just why you had the problem go to http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tech...up/index.shtml
Bill did a review of most of the top loaders on the go at the moment. the reason it only happens on the last ball of a burst is probably because that's where you run out of balls in the feed and the 1/4 second delay of the revvy comes in and a ball ends up only 1/2 in the breach.

[Bearshirt]

Thanks, I'll check out the reviews.
Warpig tells it how it is!

[MINIMAGMAN]

my friend has a regular automag valve but his double trigger is very reactive and sensitive, anyone know how to make it like that ?

[jimmyjobob]

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http://www.odysseypaintball.com/images/202.mpg

[Micromag5371]

BEARSHIRT....on page 1, i think i know whats wrong with your bros RT..... if hes using a preset tank, its most likely the problem...its probably set too low. you say you added regs, those lower the pressure even more, so its kinda impossible to get more air than the tank is allowing. I heard people who Ran co2 on an RT, make sure ABSOLUTELY NO liquid gets in the valve and the tank should be about 3/4 full...if you decide to try that, the gun should kick the trigger back with tremendous force. i think that should solve the problem, thats just what i think is wrong though.

[Bearshirt]

Retro valve probs

Micromag5371

Thanks I think you're right! My bro's preset tank
is set to 750 psi and with the extra reg the pressure is just too low. My friend with the RT has his tank set to over 1000 psi and it's very reactive.

I finally talked my bro into bypassing the extra reg and seeing if that helps. He just bought my friends RT so now we can play with a tank with much higher pressure.

Two RT's in the family now!

he, he, he,

[Dubstar112]

Get warped!

Either way it goes, get a warp..(unless you already have one)

[SGTKennedy]

my cuz has an old mag. the on off is worn. the sear is worn. the bolt is worn. and its got a benchy 2x on it. and it seems to be slightly reactive. no rt, but it chuggs away. with a good finger its amazing. i am just waiting for the day he has to buy a new on off /sear/bolt. because i think that the wear on the combo is what does it. If i had time i would find an OLD or UNUSED on/off pin and take a bit of toothpaste and a scratch pad and take it down just a bit. see what that would do.
Kennedy