Automag Valve Differences

[bluefan101]

I recently bought my wife an Minimag. I have an Automag. I noticed that her Mini has four air inlet holes on the valve, where as my Auto only has one. Noticing the difference, the next time we played I watched her gun out shoot my mag. How can I get the type of air flow that she has without dropping major cash on a new valve?

[DeathscytheSK]

are you sure that the valve is a complete agd valve and not aftermarket parts on it? from what I know the automag and minimag valve is the exact same except for the print of minimag instead of automag on the valve

[bluefan101]

As far as I know everything is original on both valves. I am including a picture of the regulator body for both.

[mag-hatter]

the one on the right looks like something ans does...the four hole mod i think its called.

[RobAGD]

What you have there is a Valve that someone voided the warentee on

It actually does nothing for the gun unless you have a mondo older valve ( pre CF12xxx pre mm12xx )

In some cases the outlet hole was drill at lets say 6 oclock vs 12oclock and that if you can shoot fast enough you can get some shoot down. The Post 12xxx and 12xx guns fixed that by indexing the threads and drilling the hole at the same place in each valve so the holes lined up.

A better guess would be that something else in your gun is causing a problem. I would look at the reg seat first, them your air system then maybe your on off pin length.

-Robert

[bluefan101]

Her Mini is MM00242, mine is CF18823. I've shot both guns and hers does do much better at reducing shoot down. When I pull the trigger too fast on mine it starts to sputter, like it isn't recharging fast enough. Hers doesn't do that. It keeps up with me. Aside from going with an x-valve(still running co2) what kinds of regulator valves are out ther that will recharge faster? Also, I changed the o-rings and the reg seat, but still the same problem. Thanks for the help guys!

[bluefan101]

I see what you mean now. The hole for the reg doesn't line up with the hole for the on/off valve. That's why the guy I bought it from drilled the holes. It looks like mine lines up pretty close. Any benefits in having multiple holes like that? Neither valve has any stars.

[athomas]

Multiple holes don't matter. Only one hole that lines up is important. If your holes line up then you are fine. Multiple holes on one side make no difference in air flow if there is only one hole on the other side.

I'm thinking that the sputtering you are experiencing may be caused by some other phenominon in the valve. I'd especially look at the on/off assembly.

[bluefan101]

New Question, same subject

I used my wifes minimag this weekend. with the 4 hole valve. The trigger kept getting stuck inside the valve. It would not pop back out. I would pull my air tank, reload it and try again. The trigger would then pop out once, I'd fire it and it would stay in. Could this also be due to those extra holes? From the angles that I have looked at, none of the 4 holes matches up with the one on the on/off valve. I'm stuck on this one. By the way, no problems with my automag this weekend, but I was about to throw her mini across the field. It cost me a game. I was pulling the tank off behind a bunker and looked up to see if I had time, when wham..right in the goggles. Meanwhile, my automag is sitting in the case.

[athomas]

Bolt stick.

The bolt spring is probably worn and weak. Replace it and you will probably be fine.

[bluefan101]

Already replaced it. I bought a parts kit right after I got her gun. I put in all new o-rings and replaced the spring. It was doing that before I replaced everything and it still does it now.

[MagNumPI]

Hey, Been a long time , but i'm back.

Your getting valve stick, not bolt stick. Take it apart and try moving the on/off pin in the valve, you'll notice if it gets hard to move. If it does you have a worn on/off pin, get a new one.. you can clean it off with some steel wool and then really lube it up. you should be fine.. My mag had that same problem a while back.

[athomas]

Another thing it may be is the power tube spacer. If you are using a spacer that is too short, then you also may experience bolt stick.

[bluefan101]

I have not tried replacing the pin yet, but I will do that next. As a matter of fact, the last time I took it out the top part of that assembly came out, but the pin and spacer stayed in. Hmm..
I appreciate all of the help guys!