One more problem. Leaking out the back!

[2fun]

I installed the level 10 with the medium spring, and it still seems to be able to chop even though the velocity is below 280.

When I try to turn it up above 280, it leaks out the back!

The minimag is only about a year old, and hasn't seen that much use.

Can somebody help me out here?
Thanks!

[Smokee_2_7]

First off, make sure that you are using the LARGEST o-ring carrier that dosent leak. That will give you the best results. Too small of one will mean harder on paint, or many times that the gun will not fire reliably.

If you cant' get your velocity up past 280 with the middle spring, you probably have a bum regulator piston. You can get a new one from AGD. For best paint handling capabilities at velocities above 280, you should use the longest spring. Im willing to bet that you can't get the gun to start firing without it leaking out the back if you were to put the long spring in there right now.

SO, first step: make sure carrier is loose enough.
Second step: get a new reg. piston.

Hope this helps

Carl

[2fun]

Thanks!
I will try that out.

I'm sure that if I put an even stronger spring, you are correct. It will probably REALLY start venting big time!

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

OK, wouldn't going to a larger carrier size actually make it harder on paint? Maybe i'm forgetting something, but i thought the more resistance you put in level 10, the softer the bolt would stop on the ball. I know when i have the largest spring on my LX's, it's more gentle when it misfires. So going down a carrier size would make the oring tighter around the bolt pin, thus creating more resistance. Please clarify because now i'm not entirely sure.

[Smokee_2_7]

Well, you're thinking in the right direction, but there are other factors that have to be taken into consideration.

Those other factors are why you have to go with the largest carrier that dosnt leak. Too tight and you wind up increasing gas consumption too much. (higher pressure needed to send the bolt on its way)
Mainly, it's because trial and error have shown that anything but the largest carrier that dose not leak tends to cause the gun to not fire reliably. Classic case is when your gassed up and if the gun sits for a while, you have to pull the trigger a couple of times before it will fire. Once you dont shoot it for a minute or so, same thing.


This is why you have the 3 different springs - - - to adjust paint sensitivity. The smallest spring works best on paint when you are shooting in the 240-260 range. The middle spring is best in the 260-280 range. From 280-300, you need to go with the longest to keep the gun easy on paint at these increased pressures. A properly setup lvl 10 in a gun shooting 295 will stop on almost any ball, regardless of how fragile it is.




hope that clears things up,

Carl

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Yes and No.

Ok, i have a total of 3 LX's. The most recent one i've been working on, i have the 1 line 1 hole carrier with the shortest spring. It has a slight leak but barely noticable. I'm shooting at about 270. If i were to go smaller, it would need for me to up the velocity to fire. Maybe there's something i must have missed but my other two have the largest springs shooting around 280-300. Both have no leaks and stop on balls fine. It's been my experience that you have to break in the oring to be able to set the LX to where you want it(where i want it anyways). I'll have to mess around when i have a free chance and see if i can get it working all the way around.

[Smokee_2_7]

Youve got them installed fine, from the sounds of it. That small leak that is barely noticable, try this: With the gun gassed up and leaking, put a 1/8 into the thumb screw and gently tighten it a little bit, and then loosen it a little bit. You should hear a change in the leak, and most likely you will find a place where it will stop.


That has been the case on ALL of the lvl 10 installs ive done (current total is 8). When I get the right carrier in there, i have to jiggle the field strip screw just a little bit to find the right point where everythig comes into tolorance.

The ranges i gave on the springs are just general numbers. 270 is pretty low, and i would guess that you would be fine with the smallest spring there - - and you are, apparently.

You're right- - if you went to a smaller carrier on the short spring gun it would cause you to have to up the pressure. This would make it harder on paint (increased gas pressure, same spring pressure as before) as well as potentially lead to firing reliability issues. However, if you jacked up the velocity with lvl 10 as is, you would probably see the paint-handling go to crap- - hence the longer springs for higher velocities.

And finally, you are right agian- - -doing lvl 10 installs DEFINITLY requires you to break the carrier o-ring in. I usually try to do that for someone when i install by shooting the gun several hundred times, but i go ahead and tell them that some adjustments may have to be made after the first time or 2 they play with it, and why.




Carl

[2fun]

So the new regulator pistons are set up so that they do NOT vent till a higher pressure is released?

Is this correct?

[Smokee_2_7]

Thats my understanding of it.