AGD, please do not avoid

[Daniel Morse]

I have heard a lot lately of instances when the bolt and spring of an RT or any mag will shoot out into the barrel only to get wedged halfway in (hence ruining the barrel and bolt). Why does this happen? My guess is that the internals of the mainbody gets worn with use and expands in diameter no longer catching the spring and bolt, so it shoots them out of the gun. Is that right? How do you avoid this? And does it only happen when dry firing? One other question is why do nubbins break and also get wedged on the inside of the barrel?

[Restola]

i have never heard of that happening, but your title alone is nearly a flame.

if you are that desperate for an answer why not try picking up the phone?

[FaSSt]

Stop smoking that cheap crack-rock

This does not happen, probably EVER. Certainly not "a lot".

And how can anything that small get wedged inside a barrel?

Try rehab.

[Daniel Morse]

Flame?

First of all I am not flaming anybody. It seems as if whenever this problem is discussed on the forums it is never remedied by Tom. It has actually come up a lot (for ex: yesterday). I am very concerned about my barrel and bolt and don't feel like having to pay for them all over again. I would like to know why this happens. If you did your research or are on these forums every day like myself, you would know that this does happen and Tom has never given a definitive reasoning for it.

[Xzion]

Im on AO at least once a day and I have never SEEN or HEARD of the bolt AND spring getting lodged into the barrel, Ive seen on occasion the bolt getting stuck in the barrel, but even thats a rare occurence, perhaps were all blind, or your halucinating lol

[Restola]

im sure webby could verify that i am on the board every day. i have never even once heard of that happening.

[Drizit]

man i don't think this happens a lot. my micromag has seen so many rounds i don't think anyone want's to think about it, and let me tell you aluminium is much softer then stainless steel. but if it's buging you just hit www.airgun.com and get the tech support phone number. then call and ask? as to Tom not giving us all the answers hey he's got a real life to. the fact that he and the techs at AGD posts on this bord at all is realy cool. but hey it's probably just a defect in the gun. noone can have 100% perfect manuafturing a friend of mine watched the powerfeed fall off an RT this weekend. he sh... um stuff happens. one nice thing about AGD is the support you get, call them up if you have a prob, they will probably help you out. as to your problem with nubbins... the bolt is smacking into them all the time, it has to for the gun to work right. if you have "P" nubbins replace them with "V" nubbins and it will help a lot.

[X-Plosive]

ummm a couple weeks ago I posted about this and YES it happens. Several people responded saying it happened to them. Someone go dig it up. Anyway it gets LODGED in there pretty tight. Tight enough that you have to get a battle swab and two people to get it out. It ruins your nubbin, and your barrel basicly. The bolt and bolt spring were both unharmed. It is very frustrating and in my case that was my last V nubbin. After that my barrel was screwed over and had a gash. I chopped A LOT of paint that day due to thta gash and it was frustrating but I was okay with it. I too would like an explanation. I was dry firing and my gun wasn't oiled yet so..........It's frustrating and costly. Thats another reason I am so desperate for these free nubbins! It put a damper on my day

[bornl33t]

My guess for a good reason whhy Tom never response to these accusations it because they are so absurd that no one in their right mind would believe them. Cocker and angel owners now more then ever are trying to come up with reason why their guns are better then mag's/e-mag's and it seem, some are resorting to the theory " if you can't beat 'em, Cheat 'em ".

Think about it logically. IF the bolt should for whatever reason come loose and make it into the barrel it would
A) Because it fits into the barrel it must be the same diameter as the barrel and thus shoot out the end of the barrel like a paintball. This could result in a lawsuit against AGD. And if you consider the vigorouse testing AGD does with all their products, I can gurantee, Tom would NOT sell you something that could be leathal.
b) It would begin to topel in the barrel. Thus getting it loged momentarily. But 300fps that the bolt would be traveling at MAXIMUM velocity would not be enough for it to get permanently stuck in a barrel.
c) The bolt didn't break but instead the metal washer that is welded into the body to retain the bolt and provide a seat for the bolt spring. IF this should be the cause then the washer is still BIGGER then the barrel and so is the spring and the ledge on the bolt.


the ONE thing I could imagine has happened it that some mag owners had the bolt catch on a wire P-nubbing. If they shoot it again the nubbin that is now bent into the barrel would be U-shaped and the friktion of the bolt AND bend nubbin being in the barrel at the same time could cause the bolt to stick pretty good. BUT this would not make the barrel useless, it was the barrels manufacturers fault for sloppy tolerances and last but not least, AGD is now marketing plastic nubbins that don't bend, break or deform.

SO if you're still conserned, call up AGD and have them send you some plastic nubbins.

I hope this helps and/or clears up and problems you might fear.
Take care!

[Daniel Morse]

Just yesterday

This was just talked about as early as yesterday. Somebody posted an instance when their bolt got stuck half way into the barrel. If you don't do your research please don't say it never happens. BECAUSE IT DOES HAPPEN! You should never argue with somebody unless you are sure. To all you non-believers, why would you argue with me that this never happens? Don't you think you too should be concerned? Or do you need it to happen to your barrel before you are concerned? Even if it is rare we need an answer.

[Drizit]

no I don't think this happens often, but yes I do think it would suck. and X-plosive did the washer actually come loose or did the bolt just get stuck on the nubbin?

[markhauguel]

Spring in the barrel ???? What ???? the bolt spring can never fit into the breach of the barrel. Yes repeat NEVER. It is at least a quarter inch bigger than the ID. of the barrel. If the bolt spring breaks the bolt can get stuck half way into the barrel. That is half way on the bolt NOT half way in the barrel. Post pictures and everyone will stop shaking their heads.

[Daniel Morse]

Where is Tom?

Let Tom straighten this out. All I know is that it has never happened to me but i have heard of many instances on this forum where it has happened to others.

[Panzerr]

I've never heard of that. It'd say its quite possible that if Tom has for some reason ever seen a post about it, that he did not reply because it is so ludicrous.

[Russ]

A spring measures about .820" in diameter. The bore of a barrel is .685/.695, a .130" difference. It would seem that if the spring were to break, that it would be possible for the bolt to jam the busted end of the spring into the barrel, thus making a real mess of the barrel, but you guys are saying that the bolt spring is unharmed? Stuck in the barrel? I hope you sent AGD the gun with the mess, so they could look at it. Anyone can say something happened, and I'm not saying that it didn't, but the best thing to do would be to send that gun directly to AGD, bolt & spring still stuck in it. Then I'm sure AGD would get right back to you, and fix whatever was wrong with the gun. They're real good like that

I've broken off nubbins, a few too many for my liking. The barrel gets gouged, not nice The spring getting lodged in the barrel? Well I'd have to see it to believe it.

edit: I just did a search, and found X-Plosives claim that both the spring and bolt were lodged halfway down the barrel. The bolt has a large diameter flange (where the sear catches) How did that get into the barrel?