Reactivity in Hybrid

[rdb123]

Hmmm, well I was tuning my trigger on my SFL this weekend and noticed that when I set it to about a 1mm trigger pull (to optimize E-mode), that when I switch it into Hybrid, I end up pulling the trigger about 4mm just so the little trigger piston thingy will kick the trigger back forward for me.

Should I lengthen my trigger rod so it actually smacks my trigger back into ready position when using Hybrid mode?

Thanks

-Ron

[rdb123]

One week now...any answers?

Thanks guys

-Ron

[Halliday]

If you can measure the trigger rod accuratly, I'd check it. When I got my E-Mag it was used and the rod was too short.

[BajaBoy]

yea, i get nothing in "hybrid" either..

[rdb123]

Originally posted by Halliday
If you can measure the trigger rod accuratly, I'd check it. When I got my E-Mag it was used and the rod was too short.

That's a good suggestion, I'll try it out later.

I bought this SFL used from Johnny Bravo, so that might be it. I'll find me some calipers and report back.

Thanks

[ReTroMagBoy]

ADJUST UR HES SENSOR MAGNET TO FIRE FURTHER BACK IN YOUR TRIGGER PULL.

for a neat trick, adjust it so that the gun fires electronically about 1mm before the trigger hits the trigger rod manually when the selector switch is in the manual position. this will get you that neat "sweet spot" full auto effect. 16+bps everytime.

[rdb123]

Originally posted by ReTroMagBoy
ADJUST UR HES SENSOR MAGNET TO FIRE FURTHER BACK IN YOUR TRIGGER PULL.
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By doing that, it would make my trigger pull in electro mode worse.

Anyway, so you're saying I should unscrew out my trigger rod until it's about 2mm from the back of the trigger?

[ReTroMagBoy]

yes its true your pull is longer if u do this, but when i owned my e-mag i always played with the electronics on but in manual mode because the e-mag doesnt have a backwards trigger stop anyways...i prefered a slight amount of play in the front with the crazy RT effect in the back where the HES sensor was being triggered.....i have a sound wave of it somewhere 16+bps strings with no effort.

*EDIT* dont mess with ur trigger rod....

[Dave]

The trigger rod is harmless to play with if you understand the priciple of the matter, that there is room before and after the point of the gun firing and recharging that the trigger needs to move in order to have the system work correctly. The norm, which AGD just probably figured would be a good default, was 1/16" from the back of the trigger. You want to adjust the trigger rod in manual mode, since the act of soley the trigger rod is purely mechanical. I actually prefer my trigger rod closer to the trigger, about 1/64" or so...very tight. Now, think about it for awhile...it does absolutely nothing to the gun except change the feel in trigger travel....

You could have a trigger rod that is 4 inches long, but as long as you had a trigger operating it that was 1/16" of an inch from the rod itself, it would function exactly the same as if the rod was the standard length.

I think the only reason why AGD has a set length is because people don't really know how to adjust the trigger rod...and not that it really needs adjusting either, it just takes up slack. The trigger rod was not designed to function w/ a trigger stop and all that jazz. The rod length itself isn't that important...its all about the relation to the trigger. The only time when length become important is when it is too short, and you get misfires because you can't pull the trigger to pull the rod far enough to complete one full cycle and recharge.

So my advice is to adjust your trigger rod in manual mode, and make it 1/16" or a little closer ( but not quite touching) and from there, mess w/ Emode. When I owned my Emag, the trigger rod was too short...and it wasn't causing misfires, but it kept Level 10 from working correctly. If you have to pull the trigger 4 mm before anything happens...you may wanna check that out

Ok, sorry for rambling...I had all this trigger rod talk in me and it needed out!!

-Dave

[rdb123]

Originally posted by Dave
...If you have to pull the trigger 4 mm before anything happens...

Well, see, since I have the HES set to about a 1mm trigger pull, I'm used to only having to pull my trigger that much before I let off of it. Since the rod is maybe 4mm back from the back of the trigger, I don't usually feel the reactivity that Hybrid is supposed to give.

Thanks, I'll try adjusting my rod some though. It works great in Manual right now, but I just wish I would get more kick out of Hybrid.

-Ron

[Dave]

yeah, if you get the trigger rod out to 1/16" or 1/32" away from the trigger in pure manual, it should work fine in hybrid.

-Dave

[rdb123]

Originally posted by Dave
yeah, if you get the trigger rod out to 1/16" or 1/32" away from the trigger in pure manual, it should work fine in hybrid.

-Dave

Ok cool thanks for the tip. Any suggestions on how to screw this thing out?? I took pliers to it to try to turn it and it won't budge. I started to scrape off metal so I stopped.

-Ron

[ReTroMagBoy]

the thing is, if u adjust the trigger rod too far forward, u may start pulling it in E mode as well.......

thats why i just moved the HES sensor further back, its easy to hammer on it when you pull it back far and then just twitch ur finger against the backstop to make it fire or in hybrid mode, against the trigger rod resulting in insane trigger bounce.

[classicmagplayer]

Couldn't you just adjust the trigger rod so that it is almost touching the rear of the trigger, when you have your trigger pulled all the way back in e-mode.

Say you have a 1mm trigger pull in emode. Leave 1.2mm gap between the trigger and the rod. This would mean you have to pull the trigger 1.2 mm to get reactivity in hybrid mode.(1.2 is just a number I made up)

I just used a pair of vice grips on the first one I adjusted, but my friends was real tight. So I heated it with a lighter(not real hot) and twisted it. You got to clamp down on it fairly hard to keep it from turning.

You probably want to put some locktite on it as your turing it in or out, so it doesnt turn later on. Keep track of how many turns you turn it, so you can put it back if you screw it up.

[rdb123]

classicmagplayer, is that how you have your Emag set up? Does it work well like that?

-Ron