Whats the mechanical diffrence between mag and a 'cocker?

[Ferengal]

I'm looking into getting a mag, namely the minimag for compactness, and was wondering what the diffrence is from a mag mechanically?

[68magOwner]

wow, mags and cockers are different in ALOT of ways, but anyway, the minimag actually has a larger body than the other mags, i would suggest a classic if your in the mini price range, but want compact-ness, if yo want uber-compact get a classic, slap on a vert addapter, 4oz tank, and saw off the stock barrel (mine sticks 1in out of my mag) and you only get a minute velocity drop oof when you cut off the barrel, just turn up velocity to fix that, and the little barrel is amazingly accurate, well....for a 3 in stock barrel lol

[Ferengal]

Well thats one diffrence, you can use co2 on a mag heh wouldn't think of that with a cocker

Do mags have a sensitive trigger ie shortstroking?

[nuclear zombie]

the difference between an autococker and a mag : everything . It's like comparing apples to oranges , if you are looking at getting a mag be sure to shoot one first most mag owners will be glad to let you shoot there gun ( it's not like you are going to break it ).

As for the trigger I actually find it hard to short-stroke, and if you are mechanically inclined then check out the automag classic manual at www.airgun.com it will help explain the gun better.

[sneakyhacker420]

also, mags have LEVEL 10, which eliminates 99.9% of all ball chopping incidents


now i'd like to see a cocker have that!



i truly find my mag trigger hard to shortstroke mainly because its a nice snappy pull... unlike a cockers light, gentle sliding pull...


i have a cocker too... but i shortstroke alot with it

[sneakyhacker420]

cocker internals

[sneakyhacker420]

mag internals... ALOT simpler

[68magOwner]

when i first got may mag, i short stroked it because i was used to mey, tiny electro pull that i had always used, but after my first day of use i got used to the trigger, wich i find way more comfortable than an electro trigger.

Quote-Well thats one diffrence, you can use co2 on a mag heh wouldn't think of that with a cocker

in responce to that, yes you can use co2 with a mag, but you have to have a co2 setup, you can just run the bottle vertically, or wou can use combos of, regs expansion chambers, anti syphons and remotes to setup a co2 mag, your best bet for co2'ing a mag would be to use a palmer stabalizer, ive never tried it (to pricey for my budget) but many have said that it works just as well as n2

[Miscue]

Cocker:

<img src="http://www.centralconnector.com/images/mtrpdj04.jpg">

Mag:

<img src="http://www.buckshotscamp.com/A-Victor-Rat-Trap.jpg">

[Meph]

Yeah, but the cocker mousetrap is much more fun to play with! Guess the guy flipping into the cup = backblock!

[GT]

great miscue!

anyone notice that a mag shoots as a closed bolt? hmmmm....

[Ferengal]

Do mags have any kick? That was the nice thing jumping from a pos starter gun to a 'cocker -- zero kick whatsoever....

And to the lvl 10 no chop thing, there is a delrin JAM anti chop bolt for cockers that does the same thing

[Grassroots]

GET A MAG!!! simple as that

i had a piranha e-force and i was gonna get a cocker. then i saw the light!! my mag shoots as accurate as any of my friends cockers, i never short pull during games, although today i got bored and actually TRIED short pulling it. and it was actually a challenge. and that delrin "anti-chop" thing on cockers isnt anywhere near as leeto as a level 10. :P

[Ferengal]

Well you can barely upgrade a mag or customize it, and personally the I think steel body looks like crap cause it can't be annoed, but the ULE bodies seem to fix that...

Mags also have that really weird *** barrel with those grooves or whatever, maybe thats better sealing or something...

So back to the question, do they have any kick?

[l33tpaintballer]

Coming from a person who owns a cocker and is buying an e-mag:

First of all, you can use CO2 on cockers (you guys are really misinformed on this one) wonderfully without any change! When I went from CO2 on my cocker to nitrogen I saw *very* *very* little difference and it required no modification whatsoever.

Second, cockers are closed bolt, mags are opened bolt. I can attest that cockers have *NO* kickback. When I start firing strings there is no recoil at all. I don't know about mags, but I figure they fire at about the same PSI so the results should be similar.

What does closed and open bolt mean? In a closed bolt system, the bolt moves the paintball forward into the gun, then fires it, then moves the bolt back to let another paintball in and repeats. In an open bolt system, the ball drops in, the paintball gun releases gas and vualah!

Third, autocockers have as shown before, *A LOT* more parts. It is somewhat overwhelming but not unbearable. Mags have much fewer parts.

Fourth, mags have level 10 and what not (which really does work better than the cocker setup). They also have more consistant stock valves I believe.

And that's that.