Mags or Cockers???

[autoglocker]

I'm soon going to invest in a high end semi, but can't really choose between an RT Pro or an ANS GenX-3 Chaos Cocker. Both have excellent features, but I can't choose. Gimme some dirt on these guns.

[Scotty386]

cockers are complicated machines and lots of things can go wrong very easily, its a gun that requires time and paitence. Once you know how to tame the beast they are a charm, but be warned they are not recommended for new players.

Mags are for the most part very simple and easy to maintain. If something goes wrong its easily fixed and with minimal effort you can have a great shooting marker for many years.

You may find that autocockers can shoot a bit further and possibly a bit faster, but when it comes down to accuracy my I would choose my mag in a heartbeat. The decision comes down to the type of player you are. This is all coming from a player and ref that has both a cocker and mag and couldn't take a trip to a field without either one.

if all else fails, get both!

[bunkermaster10]

Well I just sold my mag and got a nice shoctech cocker. I liked the mag a lot but I guess it just wasn't me. But I think I will be getting a emag here soon... Cockers are pretty easy to take care of, but not as easy as mags. The cockers trigger is a lot softer then the mags sorta heavy pull. But overall I honestly think you really have to go out and try both markers. I like both. And no cockers don't shot faster and farther!

[kingbob]

Most players usually end up owning both at one point in time. The decision on which one is your first depends on how good of an airsmith you are or are willing to be.

Mags require little mantinance, oil before a day of playing, and occasionally change all the orings and you're done.

Cockers require more maintinance, timing and such. You can have an airsmith time and locktite your marker for between 50-70 USD every couple of months and you won't have to deal with it. Cocker Maintinance is easy when you learn, I recomend when your timing slips out of place to have your local airsmith retime and locktite it for you while you watch and observe. If you have any questions ask them they will usually answer.

As for the ANS cocker I wouldn't trust it as far as I could drop kick it. ANS products appear to be low quality to me. You will be just as well off with a stock '03 cocker and a barrel upgrade and as you learn more about it you can add on other performance upgrades.

http://www.air-powered.com for all your autococker questions and learning and such (if you take the autococker route)

to summerize:
If you're not to good with Airsmithery go with the RT-Pro it's a great, sturdy gun with a good RoF and good potential for upgrades that won't give you any problems.

If you're comfortable learning part of the art of the Airsmith you should go with the Cocker. It will provide simular performance as the RT-Pro with a different feel. The cocker can be tempermental at times but it's a great gun for the tinkerer.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Scotty386

You may find that autocockers can shoot a bit further and possibly a bit faster, but when it comes down to accuracy my I would choose my mag in a heartbeat.

Oh my. All guns shooting at 300fps are equally accurate, and get equal distance. Guns with tighter velocity control are generally more accurate. All guns shoot as fast as you pull the trigger... if not, it is malfunctioning. Although, some triggers are easier to rip on than others... like an RT trigger.

A stock '03 cocker is a pretty good deal for what you're getting. But yes, it is one of the most complicated markers out there. Get it working, don't futz with it... it'll be reliable.

Mags are very nice in that they are simple, durable, reliable, and have a built in regulator. Oh yeah, and Level 10!!! It has a pretty good degree of upgrade paths. Can toss in an XValve, change the frame, do some styling stuff with maybe a ULE body or whatever. Rock solid platform.

If you want a gun that you can fix and tweak all week... get a cocker. If you like the trigger, and the backblock gives you the willies... go for it. There's not a whole lot on a mag to mess with, that you should mess with. Pick up your mag and go... I like this approach myself.

[danheneise]

well from my own experience i dry fired my friends stock '03 cocker a month ago and liked it even though it needed timing but i just got my mag iin two days ago and love it much much better, it dosen't require any timing and just needs a some oil and occasional o-rings, no even though i havent shot either of these with paint, as far as dry firing can show i like the mag much better, and btw mags have 0 kickback as well as cockers.

[Woogie12]

03 stock cockers are really nice cockers for the money. My friend has one but is no longer stcok. He has upgraded just about everything on it. They are really nice but as everyone else stated they are a tinkerers gun unlike the mag which is very low maintenance. I say you shoot both at a proshop first and see which one you like better.

[jimmyjobob]

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heres an idea....why not try shooting both and see what you like.

As for the ANS cocker I wouldn't trust it as far as I could drop kick it

just like he said, i agree completely.

my 2 cents though. my first cocker was an ans gen X. new out of the box it gave me nothing but problems. if you are going to get a cocker i wouldnt go ans....period.

[GatoLoco]

The two markers have so wildly different attributes, that a group of people on the internet cannot make the descion for you. If you mess with either one, it will mess with your day. I don't want to sound mean, because its an honest question, but the honest answer is the two markers are so radically different in every way, that you have to shoot both and decide.:)

[Mark Vandehey]

I would go with a mag just for the simple reason, it's easy to take care of, and when you're in the middle of fire fight and you need to make a quick fix, you can. I've been playing since 1988, and I've never seen a cocker that didnt' need some sort of tinkering, and when they go down, they go down. Have had many friends that have owned cockers and all are mag owners now.
Although, if you take the time and are willing to deal with the frustration that comes with owning a cocker, you will have a fine shooting gun when it's working. When they click, the really click well.

[Torbo]

how bout this: Shoot them both. Alot. and that should make up your mind. Although, i must say, the mag is more reliable, and faster. and they most definatly will shoot the same distance, and be accurate with a good paint/barrel match. So, its all up to you.

[jewie27]

X-Mag all the Way!!!!
No timing and leaky pain in the @$$ 3-way crap.

plus you get x-valve, LVL 10, ACE, and Electro and Hybrid modes. Spend more time playing and NO time fixing.

[paintbattler]

Cockers have like three times the amount of parts that the 'Mag has. However, I have heard that those Cockers are nice. I don't know from experience on the Cocker, but I know my 'Mag was a good machine. Just make sure you got LvL 10 installed on the 'Mag or you will have hell to pay.

[Hemorrhage]

I own both as well. My mag was no fun when I wasn't playing and I wanted something to tinker with. Let me tell you the feeling you get after having timed a cocker then going out and it shooting perfectly. It really feels like YOUR cocker. Like you made it this way. My mag is well, everyone's functions like mine. It's a mag. It'll work everytime all the time without fail. I prefer to tinker...Weekend warrior..Paintball=life...mag..cocker..

[68magOwner]

ok, ive owned 2 cockers, and 2 mags, i personally would choose a mag any day,

the cockers were by all means great markers, but the back block dosent allow for extremely tight play (not a big deal for most, but i got smacked in the face by back blocks alot) the triggers are nice, i can definately out shoot a classic valved mag with one, and there not THAT difficult to maintain.

Both my mags always worked great, never chopped a single ball (lvl 10, did chop with cockers) were rediculiously easy to maintain, classic valved was fast-ish, but my RT ripps. mags are very small, and not extremely heavy (ULE can do wonders, make mags one of the lighter markers out there)

umm, probably not a very thourugh post, im strangely tired for how early/late it is, but watever, get the mag, you wolnt be sorry