Help.... Got trigger bounce on an X-Mag

[cgrieves]

Not bounce in the usual style, but with the marker degassed, when I slowly depress my trigger, there's a point in it's travel where the marker just fires repeatedly very fast, as if the Hall effect sensor is retiggering. I've tried a variety of magnet and trigger magnet positions to no avail (although as the trigger is held completlely still, i can't see it's a magnet issue anyway)

I've checked the sensor and it's installed correctly (with a 90 degree bend in the wiring) and the marker does it even if I engage ACE2 and put my finger over the ACE sensor.

Any ideas?

[BlackVCG]

It happens. I have a Morlock board and I think the output from it to the HES is a bit more than the stock board so that point where it goes FA is more obvious. You still have to pull the trigger slowly to find it, though.

There really isn't a fix for it. I'll bet you could install some sort of resistor inline with the HES to prevent that from happening, but I'm not electronic oriented enough to know how to do that properly.

[cgrieves]

OK Cool I have to say when firing paint I haven't had it happen- I suppose the recoil effect makes finding that retrigger point virtually impossible. Add the ACE effect and it's even more unlikely. Just worried that a determined chrono marshall could find it (why do they always seem to pick on Mags!)

Also the adjustability of the E/X-Mag trigger is astounding!

[ignatz]

I had the same thing happen to my EMag... I thought it was a symptom of the trigger bounce issue I've been reading about. I backed out my trigger adjustment magnet a bit and now it doesn't happen anymore. I wish I had left it alone.

[cgrieves]

Yeah I've tried my magnet all the way between forward and back, and with different return magnet configurations, and it's always possible to find that point where it find multiple shots very fast....

Also I tried it with paint today and it's still possible to fire multiple shots, even on ACE2. A competent chrono marshall would have a field day with it.....

The only thing I found that seems wrong is the locking nut on the solenoid plunger was at the top of the thread rather than at the bottom, i.e. not actually locking the plunger. I removed the sear assembly and tightened it against the plunger. The plunger itself is so stiff on the thread that I don't think it can have moved from the stock position though. After fixing that the problem remains though.

Is it possible that the magnetic field from the solenoid is causing the Hall Effect sensor to retrigger? Or has anyone got any other ideas?

[Skoad]

my emag does that, i thought it was just something to do with the sear not catching, or whatever while there's no gas.

[Smokee_2_7]

Im having this problem on my brand new x-also.

Originally, we were able to find a 'full auto' spot with no air or paint. Playing with the trigger setup seemed to get rid of this though. Now, One of my friends was able to find a bouncy spot only while the gun had paint in it. Once the hopper was empty, we couldnt get it to bounce anymore.

Just for the record, this is occuring in E-mode only. (although hybrid is bouncy in its own right)

I would definitly like a solution to this problem - - I too am worried that my gun may be deemed illegal in a tournamnent.


Carl

[Riddler236]

My X-mag did it, too. I found the spot by accident when adjusting the trigger and ended up with the F/A spot right at the back of the pull. Hold down the trigger and it rips of a string of paint. I adjusted it so that the spot was a lot harder to find, but it was still there.

E- and X-mags are incredible guns, but there were two reasons I decided to stick with my Viking over the X-Mag, and this was one of them. The other is that, in Hybrid mode, the gun will shoot twice per pull. Once in E mode and once mechanically. There are two ways to eliminate this: adjust the trigger rod a lot closer to the trigger (but it may become reactive in E mode) or remove the trigger rod altogether. Either way, the chrono ref might not like it. Just like the HES F/A thing.

[FordPrefect]

I also have this spot on my E-mag, but it only works with the BPS capped at 15 or 16. If I turn it down to 14 (and I can't pull that fast anyways) I can't get it to do it at all.

That wouldn't make it any harder for people to maybe cheat with it, but I can't/won't.

EDIT Also, I forgot to mention, I (think, if I remember right) got strings of 75-100 per the shot counter. This was just me pulling the trigger with no gas or anything though.

[Smokee_2_7]

Well, we found this spot primairly with the ACE off, ROF set to 16.

Its not that I can pull that fast, but due to the way the board is programmed i can shoot ALOT faster when the rof is set to 24 with the eye on- - its just eaisier to get faster strings off.

[Branchvillian]

I founbd this yesterday, and I'm worried. I have a tourny coming up soon, and I only have my e mag. How do I get rid of this completley so the chrono guy won't find it, cuz it's obvious. Why didn't AGD realize that e/x mags did this and would potentially be deemed illegal?

[terrorizer666]

Branchvillain,
thanks for bringing this up again. I am experiencing the same, exactly the same. I first thought I must be crazy, but no matter what, I can get the trigger to shoot f/a with a bit of searching. No matter if ACE is on or not.

I have 2 tourneys coming, too, and I need to get rid of that primarily. Anyone got a solution ? My Board version is 2.21 and I have 1 o ring and 1 magnet installed on the trigger.

Somehow I am glad I am not the only one having this problem, but how to get rid of it ? If anyone knows, please post !

The Chronomarshall will kill me

[magman007]

HEy just se if the chrono marshal even notices it first. I have the same problem, and i think we all do to some extent. I want this fixed. I dont care if agd installs a micro switch into my gun, i want it fixed. i can find it, and im sure others will be able to as well. I need to hands to find mine, but thats besides the point

[terrorizer666]

Hell I would even give up the mechanical / hybrid mode for that.

I PMed cgrieves and he said he assumes, that it might have to do with the solenoid interfering the HES... hell I dunno, I just hope someone has a good solution. What do the AGD techs say ? Seems like this is more than a well known problem.

[Branchvillian]

Yeh, I really an't afford for my gun to be deemed illegal at a tourny, I have no backup- for the moment. If a tech would shine some light on this, or if we could get this fixed someonehow I would be very pleased