Help.... Got trigger bounce on an X-Mag

[jpm]

I found this post interesting in that I had never noticed this at all on my E-Mag so last night I decided to try it out. With no air connected I played with with the trigger for about 5 minutes and sure enough there is a spot where the marker will go full auto. I'm not the steadiest person in the whole world but if I was deliberate, slow and used two hands I could get strings of 10-20 on the shot counter. With two fingers on the trigger like I would normally shoot and just a bit of effort I could get micro bursts of 3-5 shots. Any field Marshal without parkinsen's can do this. Since I personally have never even been to a tourny level game and mostly stick to rec ball and woods with my friends I don't have an issue, but I do feel for those of you that have been and are going to have to deal with this.

[terrorizer666]

Originally posted by AGD
Cg,

So you are saying with NO AIR on the gun you can pull the trigger to a point where the solenoid clicks repeatedly?

That is EXACTLY what mine does, as I have stated a couple of times now, in this thread and in the thread I opened up.

What now ? Should I email John / Jackie at AGD E and tell them to replace it ?

Tom I need your go on this, but if cg gets his one replaced I think I can get it replaced, too, right ?

Do you need only one sensor send to you, or do you want mine also ?

[magman007]

Tom, this isnt a "noisy" HES like we saw on my sfl at the IAO tech class. this is something comepletely different.


this is something i believe all e-mags are capable of. now, the question is, is it able to do it with air? i believe i got it to go once with air, but that may have been another error on my part, while adjusting the trigger.

Tom, if you have time, at Shatnerball i will show you exactally what we ae talking about, and we can see if it is possible to achieve with air there as well. Sound good?

[Skoad]

I seriously think you guys are overreacting/freaking out over nothing.

This only happens with NO gas. When it happens it's just the noid's sear plunger jumping up and down. I can get it to do it whenever i want but it has NEVER happened with the marker gassed up.


I have never had a problem with trigger bounce at all either.

[Tunaman]

Has anyone tried a .713 or .714 pin in theirs?

[terrorizer666]

Originally posted by magman007
now, the question is, is it able to do it with air?

Yes it definately is.


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Originally posted by Skoud
I seriously think you guys are overreacting/freaking out over nothing.

This only happens with NO gas. When it happens it's just the noid's sear plunger jumping up and down. I can get it to do it whenever i want but it has NEVER happened with the marker gassed up.


I have never had a problem with trigger bounce at all either.

Watch the language please. -BlackVCG

[BlackVCG]

Nobody is freaking out over nothing. It is an issue and I guarantee if a ref pulls the trigger just right and gets it to do a short burst, that gun is going to be banned until they get it fixed and since there really isn't a way for anyone to get it fixed at the field minus a new HES harness, they're going to have to switch to a backup gun.

My gun is so sensitive that if a ref pulls the trigger as slow as possible he's going to get it to hit the bounce spot. I don't play in the NPPL or PSP, so for me it really doesn't matter.

I can get my gun to hit this spot when the gun is degassed and when it is gassed up.

[Branchvillian]

I am not overley thrilled that my marker is doing this either. I will be in for quite a surprise when the chrono ref finds this no problem and deems my gun unusable, cuz ya know what that means? My team plays man down and chances are we lose any chance we had at placing in that tourny. So, if you're not having the problem, or if it just doesn't bother you then please don't tell us, the people that are that its' no biggy and that we are overreacting, cuz I don't think we are.

[magman007]

well now, you can dissconnect your battery and keep playing, and chrono it in manual, that is if your imput pressure is down far enough....

[Skoad]

well on my emag there is no spot in the trigger pull where it goes in runaway or even fires twice.

something's flubbed with your guys' markers.

[sneakyhacker420]

me and the refs at my field were having a ball in the chrono (it was rec ball) just letting the HES screw up on my micro-e doing 16bps F/A strings... it shot almost a hopper once


since then i've adjusted my trigger so that theres no bounce, but its hella easy to RIP on!

[athomas]

Its quite possible that some of the HES sensors have a reduced hysteresis. That combined with fluctuating magnetic fields from the solenoid could possibly send the input into a runaway mode. This could be checked by removing the solenoid from the circuit. If the gun still counts multiple shots when the sweetspot is found, then we rule out the solenoid as the culprit.

Another form of interference is the input sensitivity to the circuit that senses the HES input. The wires running from the HES sensor could pick up noise that could be read at the input as activations. This can be fixed by a capacitor and/or twisting the HES wires that lead to the board. You may also want to put shielding around the HES wires.

If this problem persists, then a bps cap or a delay before next activation setting will not help. They will reduce the rate of fire during the phenomenon, but continuous activations will still fire the gun multiple times.

[terrorizer666]

Problem not solved yet, so


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[Branchvillian]

my e mag gets sent to agd today, but for another reason, maybe theyll catch it or something and fix it...I hope, because I'm clueless on what it is.

[cgrieves]

Possible solution

This evening I removed the HE sensor and pulled the trigger out and experimented. I found that if I held the HE sensor on the "wrong" side (i,e, the side your fingers are on) it would not retrigger at all. So I reversed the trigger magnet, rotated the HE sensor through 180 degrees and put the marker back together. Result- no bounce whatsoever. The only thing to watch out for is that you have to bend the wires coming out of the sensor the other way in order to fit it. Do it gently and slowly so as not to break them. You should be able to reverse the trigger magnet without removing the trigger as it's not physically attached, it just holds there by attraction to the adjustment screw. Maybe use some sort of iron/steel tool or possibly a stronger magnet.

Given the litigous society that we inhabit, I have to add the following: I am not an AGD tech, and this procedure was neither given to me by one nor is it endorsed by them to the best of my knowledge. Your results may vary and neither myself nor AGD should be held responsible if you attempt this procedure.