Tippmann RT vs. Mag RT

[kidzipper]

what is the difference between the tippmann RT and the mag RT? -Feel free to git really tech.-

[Dayspring]

Theirs is adjustable outside of the gun w/o tools and therefore illegal in tournies. Ours is not adjustable on the field. It is ok.

Ours isn't.

Theirs is a gas hog. Ours kinda is.

Theirs is an add on. They didn't improve the recharge rate of the valve. Ours did.

[kidzipper]

Cool that help but i would still like to know more.

[Dayspring]

Like what?

[kidzipper]

Like... is it like the tippmann RT where it resets the seer or what does it do and why do I see it on alot of mags?

[Z-man]

To my understanding (correct me someone if I am skewing it) the Automag RT valve's "Reactive Trigger" functions like so:

Once the trigger is pulled and the gas vented through the power tube, the air rushing in to refill the chamber is heated up by the friction against the walls of the valve. Since the when gas is heated it expands (increase of pressure) and because the trigger on the Automag and AutoMag RT is pushed by the air pressure in on the sear pin.

So after you have pulled the trigger the sear pushes it back with a bit more force than it took to pull it. Now since this pressurized air is surrounded by metal, it quickly cools back down, LOWERING the pressure (the force needed to pull the trigger). What this feels like is a trigger that "bounces" back on you.

This reactivity is highly dependent on the input pressure of the air coming into the valve. For example running at 600psi input from a tank the trigger functions nearly without any bounce. As you turn up the pressure, the bounce becomes more and more pronounced until around 900+ psi when the trigger bounces back hard enough for you to apply a constant pressure and have the gun cycle itself (this is called "sweet spotting").

The nice thing about the Automag RT (as mentioned by DaySpring) is that this RT function is an integral part of the valve, not some mad or addition to it like on the Tippmann guns.

[TAW]

The RT valve is reactive because tank output pressure(850psi) rushes thru the valve and slams in to the on/off pin POW!! Reactivity. Once the air chamber reaches 450psi the reg cuts off the input pressure. Now you pull the trigger and you are only getting 450psi resistance. So you pull the trigger at 450psi and it returns at 850psi.

I tryed to explane it as simple as I could.

[Dayspring]

Correct. The old classic valves subjected the on/off pin top to the regulated amount of air pressure- ~400psi.

The RT subjects the pin top to full tank output pressure. ALSO, the on/off pin head is slightly larger than the shaft, giving more surface area for the top.

[chizle97]

also about 150 dollars. the tippman rt is nice though, although i would prefer the AGD RT

[kidzipper]

More ?'s

Can you "sweet spot" the AGD like the Tippmann RT where if you hold it just right it goes auto? And if you can do Refs check for that ability and ban the people that do "sweet spot". also does anyone know how many ball per sec. the Tippmann RT and the mag RT shoot when/if they go auto (so if you "sweet spot" the RT's)

[Woogie12]

The mag RT can be sweetspotted with a tank of 850+ pis pressure output. I know that the tippmann RT can reach 13 bps. I don't know about the mag one.

[Dayspring]

Somebody hooked their gun directly up to a scuba tank and was able to get 26-30bps out of a Mag RT. (Can't get enough flow out of a regular tank for it otherwise)

Yes, you can sweetspot it if you tweak the Mag to do so. however, it's MUCH easier to break stuff if you do that.

[Meph]

Originally posted by Dayspring


Theirs is a gas hog. Ours kinda is.

Sorry, but mags are more gas inefficient that Tippmanns! Even with an RT Tippmann! Of course not by much, but still.

[Dayspring]

I can't say I agree with you on that one... The Tippmann RT doesn't use waste gas. It drinks from the same fountain as the regular valve does. Makes it more inefficient. By alot.