How to run a mag on co2

[Beemer]

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[goldengun5]

done i emailed you back,

[PyRo]

I just had a 20in hose, no problems :)

[goldengun5]

well i played again to day, after about 25 shots it froze, it un froze but then every 5 shots it would freeze again. I was hoping not to dump a bunch of money into this thing to get it to work on co2, so, should i sell the gun and go with something desighned for co2. It seems my tippy works just as well...so should i just seriously trick out the tippy or stay with the mag??

[Beemer]

If youre gonna spend the money to trick out the tippy Id put it in to the Mag instead. Did you try a remote hose. Can you mount the bottle verticle up front. x-chamber and antisyphon Will work. You would spend less on these mods then what you would tricken out the tippy and have a better gun.
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[PyRo]

Expansion, reg, long hose, vertical tank OR antisyphon(don't do both or you will have worse freezing problems).

[scribe]

i run a minimag with an expansion chamber and bottom line. works fine. i think if you had an expansion chamber or regulator, along with a back bottle adapter to an anti siphon tank, you should be set.

[Beemer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by PyRo
Expansion, reg, long hose, vertical tank OR antisyphon(don't do both or you will have worse freezing problems





So not true. We ran the beta mags back in 86 or? with all these mods except the reg with good results. I ran xchamber with double antisyphon and could shoot a 20oz to ice with out going liquid,of course at that point I lost all speed to
Beemer

[sime]

by "don't run both" pyro ment DON'T run an anti syphon tank on remote. that tube sticks right in the liquid and acts as a straw......

[nerobro]

I have a slightly better plan.

When it's cold. CO2's pressure drops. So regs become less of a good idea. You want good head pressure going into the mag valve. (I find them to never be a good idea on a mag... but I'll get into that in a bit) all you need to do is keep liquid out of the gun. So long as you keep liquid out of the gun, you'll cease getting powertube o-ring leaks.

So, here's my magic method for using a mag in the cold.

#1 DO NOT cover the tank in anything. No cover, no sock, no heat pads, NOTHING. make sure it sees as much "warm" air as it can. (the air is going to be warmer than what's in the tank... nearly always)

#2 run the tank ON GUN, with an antisiphon tube. make sure the tube is installed properly.. I've seen my share of crappy tube setups. A proper antisiphon tube will touch the side of the co2 tank, nearly at the shoulder of the tank. the tip of the antisiphon tube should be crushed over a small nail to produce a smaller oriface. This will provide any of the benifits that a reg gives without the pressure drop.

#3 Use good gun control. Don't point the gun down, don't lay the gun down. These will dip the tube into the liquid and not help you.

#4 Use a large co2 tank. Larger co2 tanks have more room for liquid co2 to slosh and still miss the antisiphon tube. Larger tanks also give the pool of co2 larger contact aera with the tank. And the tank has larger aera to absoarb heat from the enviroment.

Yes, running a reg is good. but the mag HAS the reg already. co2 doesn't really provide the necessary head pressure to run multiple regs properly. Espeically with a LX setup where AIR chamber pressures can hit 500psi or more. Heck with l7, I had enough troubble with co2 and head pressure. This leads to the other problem that a reg will not fix.

Here's the biggest problem with co2. It's not the liquid at all. (I froze teh barrel o-ring in my micromag twice.. ever... I've had it for 8 years. And I play when it's REALLY cold) It's the way co2 produces pressure for the gun. With an antisiphon tube, you're not going to pick up any large volume of co2. It just doens't happen. so you're already feeding the gun fairly dry co2.

As you fire the gun, you remove gas from the tank. The tank needs to boil off liquid co2 to make more gas co2. The higher the pressure on a liquid, the higher it's boiling point. Well when you shot the gun, you reduced the pressure over it, so it started to boil. Boiling releases stored heat from the liquid, so the liquid cools as well. While the pressure comes up a signifigant amount, it doesn't return to the same pressure it was at untill the air outside the tank, can warm the liquid back to it's previous temprature.

Shooting the gun, WILL reduce tank temprature. The lower the tank temprature, the lower the tank pressure. Eventually it will get low enough the gun won't cycle anymore.

On the bright side. the LX is much more resistant to powertube leaks. tom Hypothisises that the longer bolt travel prevents the o-ring from freezing. so with the LX you need to worry less about liquid. You will still run into the co2 temprature problems.

When I run my mag in the cold. I strap on a 20oz antisiphon co2 tank. and go.

[Beemer]

Good post Nerobro
Goldengun wants to sell his mag because of the liquid problem. Already told him to lose the reg and get an antisyphon. Hope he figures it out.

[nerobro]

I think I know you. I play CPSA with Damage Inc. (with nerobro plastered across my back) You play in some old school SP gear don't you? if not... I have seen the name before ;-)

[Beemer]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nerobro
I think I know you. I play CPSA with Damage Inc. (with nerobro plastered across my back) You play in some old school SP gear don't you? if not... I have seen the name before ;-}[QUOTE]


Same name different person. Somebody got the nic beemer so now its beemerson. No SP gear here never have never will. AGD all the way. Havent played tourny ball in awhile. See profile

[PyRo]

Originally posted by sime
by "don't run both" pyro ment DON'T run an anti syphon tank on remote. that tube sticks right in the liquid and acts as a straw......

Yeah thats what I ment, if you run antispyphon with a remote or vertical tank the antisyphon will act as a syphon.

[goldengun5]

ok i think im gonna wait till i get my anti-siphon before i make my final decison. Should the gun work good with the reg and anit siphon? Nobody has awnsered my question of which would be better... reg or x-chamber...thanks guys