Automag versus Spyder

[justinellery]

I don't think I've ever seen a spyder make it through an entire day without some problems though they may be minor. I have had both and just let me say don't waste your money on the spyder, save for the mag, you'll be glad you did.

[RJR99SS]

theres a pretty significant difference between the two. the best example i can think of just happend this weekend. This kid was playing with us had a totally tricked out spyder which was broke down for about half the day. I had my automag which is stock for right now and running on co2, and it totally outperformed him and i didnt have a single problem with it all day.

Granted the kid wasnt very smart, he's what we call in the automotive industry a "parts changer". Just those guys who think if an aftermarket part for their gun is more expensive than the stock one; it must be better. I usually find that the stock parts on most guns always work the best, but anyway....

I got a spyder laying around here i use as a spare gun for anyone playing with us and their gun breaks down, i dont really have a taste for them. They really do wear out bolts fast, they're kind of a pain to disassemble compared to other guns, and they just plain arent that reliable. even stock spyders have a habit of going haywire for no apparent reason. But one thing i totally agree on is that kingmans customer support totally SUCKS. I remember all i needed from them was a little rubber ball stopper that i lost somehow, and it was a 1 hour conversation and 2 month wait for it to arrive.

Luckily i didnt actually buy the spyder, someone just gave it to me. But i would never buy one. One gun that i consider to be in the same league as the spyder is the tippman carbine or pro carbine. I'd pick one of those hands down over a spyder anyday; they're easy to find, cheap, easy to disasemble, got great customer support, and perform just as well or better than spyders.

The mag though is just hands down better than the spyder, i cant think of anything the spyder can beat it at. Its a little cheaper, but i say the $150 or so is well spent on the mag, itll save you alot of headaches.

[Thordic]

I can't believe this thread is still active.. ha.

[beam]

Originally posted by FDB1
can you talk directly to the president of kingman??nope didnt think so. can you get the info that you can get here??? didnt think so either

Ummm....yes they do.

I own both. If it's your first gun...buy the spyder. Play with it for a while and you will get the upgrade fever. Then upgrade to a mag and keep the spyder as a backup or a loaner. First thing to change on the spyder: barrel.


EDIT***Guy changed his post and it changed my quote!!!! Cool...but now my post makes no sense. So....the "yes they do" was to say they do have a spyder forum at Kingmanusa.com

[mykroft]

The Spyder's a good little gun. I still have my TL, it's the most reliable gun I've owned, and that includes 2 mags. However Kingman's Quality Control is crappy. I know of at least one spyder that was sold new with a barrel that wouldn't even screw on.

Solution: get a Pirahna instead, same basic design, PMI's quality control is excellent, PMI uses indutry standard threading and bottom-lines unlike Kingman and BE, and PMI puts better quality parts on their gunbs, like real regs on the higher-end Pirahna's.

Now as to the Mag/Spyder debate. The Mag is a much higher performance gun, and allows upgrading to a tourney level marker (ReTro Valve). The Spyder/Pirahna is easier to shoot to start, as you don't have to think about the trigger, but there is little real performance upgradeability beyond an E-LCD Frame and better barrels. Also the Spyder/Pirahna likes CO2 alot more than the Mag does.

I'd go with the Mag, if you can afford HPA, Pirahna if you can't

[Bartleby]

i'm sorry all i read was the title of the thread and i have one thing to ask.

What is this a joke?

[~WarpedRT~]

If you look into one marker, look into the whole class. You forgot about Piranhas. PMI makes fantastic markers, that will compete against just about anything. I had a G2 STS when they first came out, and I loved that thing. They will out-perform spyders anyday, and PMI has standards. I personally find those ugly weld marks on the back of the powerfeeds to be very offensive to the eye. Bolt, and hammer system is very loose,(bad design) and the stock barrel are absolute trash. Want me to go on? I can. But I will leave it at that. My Piranha never once skrewed me over, and it shot great, only broke about 3 balls the whole time I had it. (5 months, 15 whole days of play) The regs on Shutters are junk, and the so called "forgrip with mini exp. chamber" is a lie, it's just a straight tube, a whole is cut in the side of the reciever, and there are wholes drilled through the bolt, to make it look better. "Hmm, lets see how much dirt I can possibly get inside my gun today guys!"

But if you are set with a choice of spyder, or mag, go with the mag.

As for whoever said about sending your Spyder in to Kingman, the only time I'd do that is if it broke in half, otherwise, you would have to be brain dead to not know how to fix one of those. And a mag, come on, if something goes wrong with a mag, it's an o-ring. How easy is it to replace an o-ring?

[LeadBasedPaint]

Get a spyder dude!! Spyders are so much better than mags!! I'll bet my trusty TL could tear up an E-Mag any day!

Wait! Hold your flame! I was just kidding. I don't even own a TL (thank goodness). I would definitly go for a Mag. Mags are higher performance, and better looking. And like Koker said "if you are holding a spyder the newbies will think you are one of them". You wouldn't want that now would you (I certainly wouldn't). Plus if worst comes to worst a mag is much more intimidating, and if you play with people who think the gun makes the player, you will be more likely to be picked for the good team. Take a used mag over a new spyder any day. I did.

[FooTemps]

Mag hands down... The spyder is a good marker. After trying some shots on a mag I fell in love... It is soo nice compared to my friend's tl+...

[Drizit]

when looking at markers in general, the one I have had the most fun with is my mag, however my tippmann 98 has more fire power with the response kit, but it's just not as much fun to use. one other thing I would recommend for the experienced player is a pistol, not as a backup but as a primary. I've put over a case of paint through my pt extreme over the summer. (however I wouldn't buy another one, they have quality issues.) and man playing with inferior fire power has made me a much better player. I now play tighter into bunkers, I run faster, and farther, and I bunker more people. I even tried to bunker two people in one bunker with a squad buster, I don't think I would have tried that before I got the extreme.

[paint magnet]

Spyder: made in Taiwan!

Tippmann: made in USA!

Obvious choice for me, but a mag would be even better. If it "cocks itself", then how do you get the tank off without busting the o rings if you don't have an on/off ASA? (you know, the turn the tank 3/4 turn and fire out the excess gas trick) My friend has two Spyder Compact 2000's which is a good thing because one of them breaks about every other month, and he takes out the working parts from one gun and transfers them to the other one. My Tippmann has never failed me, and you could probably hammer a Spyder into pieces with it and it would still shoot fine.

[Drizit]

just keep shooting, or just keep turning the tank until it unseals.

[LaW]

First off a note on forums.

When I owned a Spyder I had countless forums to go to to get help on it. I then also bought a mag and had this forum. However you must realize that this forum wasn't started by AGD. This forum has been around (not exactly in this form) for a long time before it was bought out by AGD.

Secondly on the reliability issue.

Mags are easier to fix if something goes wrong with them, there's only so many thing that could be wrong.
A Spyder is in my experience a very reliable gun if it's maintained properly, i.e. oiling the hammer, bolt, orings, cleaning it after every day of play.

Another issue-
You can put so much money into a Spyder and it won't up it's value, and in the end seem like a waste, it's fun to tinker with. My Spyder remained well maintained and I can only count one time I had a problem and it was a broken oring that I had not attended to after forgetting to clean the marker after a hard day.

On price-
For the beginning player the price of the Spyder is dead on. You can get for the price of a new automag, a spyder with a new barrel, regulator, bolt, and maybe even a electro frame. Of course this depends on what you get with the automag, for instance if you play in cold you'll want compressed air probably so that alone will up the cost of buying a mag.

On performance-
There is no doubt in probably anyones mind that the automag can out cycle the spyder. That's already a proven fact. For the beginner it's not going to really matter how much paint your slinging per second. Obviously the working mag will outshoot a working spyder.

On tournaments and field play-
If you go out with a spyder who's to think your a newbie, I will admit I go out with my spyder still even though I have an impulse, hyperretromag, emag all in my arsenal. It's just fun sometimes to play with different guns. The gun doesn't make the player, the player makes the player. I can do just as well going out with my pgp as I can going out with my spyder. I know there's people out there that can do the same, however there's those that say that it's stupid to go out with a pump/stock marker.

On a final note-
If money is an issue, you can get more now for a spyder with the money you'd spend on the mag and maybe compressed air alone. You might want to float that direction for now if your new to the sport ( only been playing a couple months and not that serious yet) Just take your time making the decision, and to make sure it was the right decision. It's not fun to dish out money for something you won't be sticking with.

[magman68]

another reason to go with the mag is also the upgrades available for them.how would you turn a spyder into a $1,000 gun!also bragging rights.a spyder just isnt "up there" with a mag .

[LaW]

You can easily pump over 500 dollars into a spyder :) trust me, I did. hehe My spyder feels so nice though. THere's a lot you can do, I don't know what your saying there both guns have an equal amount of upgrades.