Crossfire Tank, Read if you own one.

[jtoothman25]

Problems with a couple peoples Emags and 68 ci, 4500 psi tanks. If you have this tank, please write down the ASA adapter you use, as well as the problems. Also, if you dont have problems, please write down your ASA. (problem happens more around 1200 psi or below)

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Marker:
Emag serial # EM12xx
Emag Valve
Level 10 (shortest spring)

Software:
v4.0
19-20sps
debounce = 1 through 4

Crossfire:
68ci/4500PSI "high pressure"

ASA adapter:
Custom Products on/off

Feed hose:
Macroline OR stainless steel braided

Problems:
If my crossfire pressure isn't high enough, +1600psi my gun will start to "pppppfffffffft" when walking the trigger in emode. There will also be times where the solenoid will actuate but will not fire the gun. This happened before AND after v4.0 was migrated to my board.

IF I shoot in pure-mechanical mode I do not experience these problem and the gun recharges just fine. Slower rate of fire.

I've noticed that with my gun setup, the Crossfire needs to have a healthy amount of pressure in order to reliably fire my gun in e-mode.

The gun does not exhibit these problems with a Pure Energy 68/4500 high pressure bottle.

Jim

[jtoothman25]

This is the exact same problems my gun has. Walking it has issues. I emailed the company, and they said it was from my ASA. Then I was like.. "i have an On/Off ASA, which i can set to different Heights" This also only started happening with 4.00 software, which i'd assume because I hit higher speeds walking.

[Duke of Lawnchair]

jtoothman25,

Looks like I'm not the only guy that's experiencing the same anomalies.

I do not buy the on/off ASA song and dance as my gun RIIIIIIIPS with USAF Flyboy's pure energy.

Here's some food for thought:
Tom Kaye was present at the NorCal/SoCal event (which is when and where my emag was flashed to v4.0) and stated that Martin's (Flyboy's) bottle was the only preset at the event that could keep up.

I'd like to find out if Crossfire (or whoever builds/tests the bottle regs) tests EACH individual reg for recharge rate and/or output pressure. If they do, I want that data.

Jim

[jtoothman25]

What is the problem a function of? How can we fix our problem? I'm sure this wouldnt be a problem with a gun that doesnt require so much air so quickly, but i have an emag, and i'm proud of it.

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Originally posted by jtoothman25
What is the problem a function of? How can we fix our problem? I'm sure this wouldnt be a problem with a gun that doesnt require so much air so quickly, but i have an emag, and i'm proud of it.

I found a possible solution to my problem, albeit a relatively expensive solution.

The solution was the purchase of a 72ci/4500psi Flatline.

I have yet to test it and will be doing so after work.

A VERY well respected member on these boards mentioned to me in a private message that his teammate was experiencing the same problems as the both of us. Same bottle make.

[jtoothman25]

If TK said that only the Pure Energy's can keep up.... those might be good to look at.

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Originally posted by jtoothman25
If TK said that only the Pure Energy's can keep up.... those might be good to look at.

He didn't say that the Pure Energy's could keep up, per se. Instead, he stated that Martin's preset was the only preset at the meet that could keep up.

I'm not sure what other presets were to be found, but that Martin's preset could keep up. His just so happens to be a PE.

Jim

[Duke of Lawnchair]

jtoothman25,

I just now tested the Flatline with my emag.

My setup is the same as previously stated but with the following differences:
1) No CP on/off ASA
2) 72ci/4500psi Flatline set at an output pressure of ~1k psi

The gun absolutely rips and does not seem to exhibit the same respiratory problems as before.

Jim

[jtoothman25]

I was offered a Pure Energy 68/4.5k for my Crossfire.. the hydro dates are about a year off... but I can get hydro's done for free. (dont pm me, i cant get yours done for free)

[funkmunky56]

a conflicting opinion...

I'm running a ULE e-mag, has had software v. 1.37, 2.4, Q1.1, 3.2, 4.0, and then back to 3.2 (lol) installed in it... straight back loop of hose into the valve from an Ideal on-off (cam-lever action) ASA...

Lvl 10 = 1.0 carrier, 2 shims, med. spring

and I'm running an HP Crossfire reg on a 91 ci 4500 psi ACI bottle.

I have NEVER had a recharge problem until I hit under 750-800ish psi in the tank. Even when I first put in 3.2, and hadn't swapped my solenoid wires, the sweet "fullauto" issue was met with adequate gas recharge at 20 bps through almost a whole tank.

I mean, maybe there IS an issue with different people's on-offs. Most people think you need to crank your on-off knob ALL the way in when you gas up your marker, whereas the proper way to do it is to crank in til you hear the system pressurize, then give it another half turn. this prevents you from bottoming the pinvalve out in the reg, and possibly restricting the flow through the system, Tippmann-velocity-adjuster style.

Just a thought. Try gassing up like I described, and see what happens. and make sure you're running enough oil in your gun, and have the lvl10 properly setup, proper spring, and velocity adjuster properly set. You REALLY should have a chrono available to properly set up a lvl10d mag anyway. --Funk

[Duke of Lawnchair]

Just a thought. Try gassing up like I described, and see what happens. and make sure you're running enough oil in your gun, and have the lvl10 properly setup, proper spring, and velocity adjuster properly set.

funky,

Thanks for the input but as the old cliche goes, "been there done that..."

My Emag does not want to jive with my Crossfire.

Jim