Oh my! An imposter!

[trains are bad]

I bought a used classic and have been having a heck of a time with chuffing-it's still unusable at the moment. Anyway I wiped the bolt off and it said "ANS phase II"!

OMG I feel so ripped off. Should I? Is the bolt bad? Could it be causing my problems? Right now it does random chuffiness. Double firing, chuffing on the trigger release, all kinds of bad things.

[personman]

Well, its likely that that may be the problem. I cant really say for sure. It may be a part in your on/off but I dunno. If you have a friend with a classic try borrowing his bolt and see if it works better. ANS sells horrible stuff in my oppinion, but it may not be the problem in this case.

[trains are bad]

I don't have any friends w/mags

what on/off part? If I get a rebuild kit and rebuild it will that help?

[Mag89]

Your velocity could be turned way down. I had the same problem and there was a bad o-ring in the regulator on the reg piston. To check your on/off assembly for problems gas up your gun, shoot it and hold down the trigger, if nothing happens when you hold down the trigger then your on/off is working properly. If it starts to leak air down the barrel then your on/off has a bad o-ring.

[personman]

Me, I'm kind of stupid when it comes to helping over the internet, but I'll try.
Make sure you have a rail bushing. It sticks out of your rail and alligns the grip frame.
Unscrew the back half of the valve and make sure the reg seat isnt too discolored and dirty. If it is, replace it. (you can get one through the link or in a parts kit)
I wont say that the bolt is the problem, because I dont have any experiance with ANS bolts, I only know that they are bad news. If you have extra cash, I would go ahead and upgrade to a level 10. That will get rid of the ANS part and make your gun a heck of alot nicer.
Also, make sure your on/off is in the right way as shown in the diagram below.


If none of that works, I'm not sure what is wrong. Make sure you have enough air in your tank and ect.

[trains are bad]

It doesn't leak like that one guy said. I took it all apart and the orings look kinda yellowed though. I'm going to try turning my velocity up. It was doing 270 or so though.

[Mag89]

Check your tank for air like personman said. If your tank has below 1200psi then get it filled and test your gun again. Unscrew the two halves of your gun and replace the regulator seat if u can. If you cant replace it just wipe it off with your finger(make sure your hands are clean). If your gun is shooting 270fps then your velocity isnt the problem. If none of this works it might be your reg piston o-ring which is a real pain to replace.

[CaliMagFan]

velocity fluctuations

well it might shoot great at 270 once then bunk out and chuff.... thats a velocity fluctuation issue.... i'm pretty sure that the 3 main players in velocity issues are: the reg seat (unscrew the havles of the back ofthe valve, the reg seat is that yellowish flat piece with the small hole in the middle). the reg piston... sometimes they blow, very rare, and you just to get another one, or it just need some cleaning and oil (take the reg piston out by totally unscrewing the velocity adjuster out the back of the maker. get an allen wrench to fit that black piece inside and "shimmying" it out of the back of the gun, doesnt screw out.) the 3rd problem might be your overall velocity, which is governed by the screwing adjuster at the back of the valve... since you were shooting 270 though, i bet its not that.. cause i can shoot high 150's on my lvl7 without missig a shot...

good luck... keep us posted

-kyro

[trains are bad]

New developement!!



I think it IS the bolt. Someone tell me if this is normal.

First I noticed that when the bolt was on the power tube the bumper didn't seem squashed. Hmm.

Then I was putting a new bumper on to compare thicknesses and I put the ANS bolt on the power tube bumperless. It didn't go on all the way! So I pushed on it and it like snapped on all the way! No wonder it wasn't catching the sear right...I think it only worked right when the spring returned it w/ enough force to snap it on all the way. What it catches on, I have no idea.

I took it off and looked at the brass thing on the end of the power tube and it has marks like the air holes in the bolt where it has been hitting the bolt.

[personman]

Originally posted by trains are bad
New developement!!



I think it IS the bolt. Someone tell me if this is normal.

First I noticed that when the bolt was on the power tube the bumper didn't seem squashed. Hmm.

Then I was putting a new bumper on to compare thicknesses and I put the ANS bolt on the power tube bumperless. It didn't go on all the way! So I pushed on it and it like snapped on all the way! No wonder it wasn't catching the sear right...I think it only worked right when the spring returned it w/ enough force to snap it on all the way. What it catches on, I have no idea.

I took it off and looked at the brass thing on the end of the power tube and it has marks like the air holes in the bolt where it has been hitting the bolt.

Ooh. Thats bad. Especially that last part. I dont know if it affects the guns preformance but its defentally a sign that something is wrong here. I suggest buying a Level 10 kit. That replaces the part that has the marks, and the bolt, so you should be good as new after that.
It seems your only other option would be to buy a stock bolt, which costs $35 from the agd store. Thats only about 30-40 dollars cheaper than a level 10, and because the preformance increases so much with level 10, Level 10 would be my reccommendation to you.

Edit:
Actually, all L7 bolts do that. My bad. I dont know what to say. The markings seem bad but that may not be your problem.

[trains are bad]

All level 7 bolts do the snappy onny thing? Why? Realize this one doesn't even touch the bumper unless it get's snapped on all the way.

I also think the marks are just from the power tube tip coming unscrewed one time in the past.

I do not want to go lvl 10.

I am going to get a used lvl 7 bolt as soon as the bank stuff happens.

[Mag89]

trains i will give u my old lvl 7 bolt if u want it. i dont need it now that i have a lvl 10

[personman]

Oh, I diddnt know it wasnt touching the bumper until it got snapped on all the way. I'll bet the bolt stem is too long or something. With the classic valve I have right here in my hands, you slide the bolt on, and it alllmost touches the bumper, and when you push on it, it can touch it. It wont snap for me unless the bumper is off.
That makes sense that the marks are from the powertube coming unscrewed. I hate it when that happens.
I dont know why you wouldnt want to go LX, but whatever.
I would try Mag89's bolt. By the way, Mag89, that's pretty nice of you.

[trains are bad]

yeah, Mag89, that's awesome of you.

I don't want to go LX because as of now I am running CO2. IIRC LX requires you to turn your velocity adjustment up. That's bad, because the higher my operating prerssure, the less I can shoot before shootdown. The lower my operating pressure, the longer I go w/o shootdown. Word.

There is a field going up close by that might have HPA so that'll be nice to get with the decade, get a rt valve and all maybe even.

[Mag89]

I'm always glad to help out a fellow paintballer