AGD, please respond. Questoun about E-Mag trigger rod length

[LockNLoad]

I have been told conflicting information.

Is it ok to adjust the trigger rod length on my e-mag without effecting the function and reliability of the marker? Is there a specific trigger rod length or can it be adjusted according to the trigger being used?

I don't know who to listen to. Tunaman or CoolHand & RRFireblade.

Tunaman makes it sound like there is a specific trigger rod length that should not be altered. RRFireblade and CoolHand make it sound like there is not.

Who should I listen to?

Originally posted by RRfireblade
With all due respect to Tuna,he doesn't have one or have any experience with one.I'm not even sure why he has any concern since he didn't buy one should have no personal interest in it.If I had that specific measurement,i would give it to him.

I'll go ahead and say it one more time anyway.Of those who have had trouble with the clearance,1-2 turns have been sufficient to allow the proper gap.The actual measurement of the rod is meaningless regardless of what trigger you have in there.The gap between the trigger and the rod IS the ONLY important spec.That is true for ANY mag mechanical or not.The E/Xmag,due to it's design,allows for a far greater range of trigger rod adjustment due to the complications of multiple firing modes.This cannot be overcome due to the design of the gun if you wish to have all 3 modes of fire.

Finally,there is no possible reason that a minor trigger rod adjustment will make you unable to have this or any other trigger function properly.

Hope that helps,

Jay.

[Southpaw]

http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...rod+adjustment You need to have a space between the trigger that is the adjustment. AGD does not make this trigger possibly due to this "problem" I hope to recieve my trigger on monday and I will be adjusting the trigger rod. To make it work because I only play in emode I only use it to crono the marker if you search for cool hand you will see that he has new options for people that are scared of this simple adjustment.

[Cryer]

if you have the stock trigger, dont touch your trigger rod.

If you have the Logic or Fireblade triggers, it may be necessary to change you rod length. It voids your warranty, but it will allow the marker to work in mechanical mode.

[Southpaw]

The whole problem with the trigger rod adjustment is people with mechanical markers that want a supet short pull will adjust the rod out and it will not let the valve reset totally causing damage to the sear and bolt. That is why you need to have a gap between the trigger and the rod.

[Havoc_online]

You have to tell us what trigger your talking about. Here's the deal...

If it's a stock trigger, dont move the rod, it should be 2.125"

If it's a TL63 Blade trigger, then extend the rod to 2.135" and it'll be perfect.

If it's a logic trigger, dont touch the rod, just back out the set screw in the trigger till it works reliably.

I have no hands on exp. with any other blade triggers so I wouldnt be able to help you there. If you cant figure it out, I could check it out for you

[BlackVCG]

Havoc pretty much nailed this one.

Whatever trigger you're using, you simply wan the trigger rod adjusted so that it does NOT come into contact with the back of the trigger in E-Mode.

It's a simple check. Gas up the gun, keep the gun turned off and pull the trigger in E-Mode. You'll see where the trigger rod sits in relation to the back of the trigger.

[Mindflux]

Originally posted by Havoc_online
You have to tell us what trigger your talking about. Here's the deal...

If it's a stock trigger, dont move the rod, it should be 2.125"

If it's a TL63 Blade trigger, then extend the rod to 2.135" and it'll be perfect.

If it's a logic trigger, dont touch the rod, just back out the set screw in the trigger till it works reliably.

I have no hands on exp. with any other blade triggers so I wouldnt be able to help you there. If you cant figure it out, I could check it out for you

But backing out the set screw is a step back for those of us who like a super short pull... I've yet to install my logic blade in my xmag yet.. so I'm not sure how it'll turn out.

[Havoc_online]

Originally posted by Mindflux


But backing out the set screw is a step back for those of us who like a super short pull... I've yet to install my logic blade in my xmag yet.. so I'm not sure how it'll turn out.

It's not a matter of having a short pull, it's a matter of having a reliable(and legal) pull.

[Cryer]

I think you guys are talking about 2 different set screws here...

Havoc is talking about the set screw in the face of the logic trigger. Cool hand put this there to avoid the same problem the tl63 triggers had.

I think mindflux is talking about the set screw in the selector switch... the one you use to adjust trigger pull length.

[Mindflux]

Originally posted by Cryer
I think you guys are talking about 2 different set screws here...

Havoc is talking about the set screw in the face of the logic trigger. Cool hand put this there to avoid the same problem the tl63 triggers had.

I think mindflux is talking about the set screw in the selector switch... the one you use to adjust trigger pull length.

That would be correct.

However, I fail to see how backing out the magnet set screw would have any effect on the sear trigger rod. The problem is the rod is poking too far out for some people, and it's basically resting on the hump of this fireblade. That set screw is lower in the frame than where the sear rod would 'hit the trigger'. I do believe.

So the logical fix would be to turn the sear trigger rod in a few turns like RRFireblade has suggested.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by Mindflux



That would be correct.

However, I fail to see how backing out the magnet set screw would have any effect on the sear trigger rod. The problem is the rod is poking too far out for some people, and it's basically resting on the hump of this fireblade. That set screw is lower in the frame than where the sear rod would 'hit the trigger'. I do believe.

So the logical fix would be to turn the sear trigger rod in a few turns like RRFireblade has suggested.

You're right again, in a sense... The original Logic triggers (not the fireblade) have a set screw in the face of the trigger where the trigger rod would contact the trigger. That is what Havoc was talking about.

You have the new fireblade, right? have you installed it, yet?

If the trigger rod touches the Fireblade trigger in e-mode, then yes, you're correct. Simply turn the trigger rod in a couple of turns. Test the marker in mech mode to make sure that its reliable after that.

[Mindflux]

Originally posted by Cryer


You're right again, in a sense... The original Logic triggers (not the fireblade) have a set screw in the face of the trigger where the trigger rod would contact the trigger. That is what Havoc was talking about.

You have the new fireblade, right? have you installed it, yet?

If the trigger rod touches the Fireblade trigger in e-mode, then yes, you're correct. Simply turn the trigger rod in a couple of turns. Test the marker in mech mode to make sure that its reliable after that.

I have a fireblade yes, however I haven't installed it. I can't get the trigger pivot pin out. And frankly I'm scared to smack the pin any harder for fear of slipping and scratching the ano. That and I don't have the appropriate tool (pin punch) or center punch (as some suggest)

[RRfireblade]

Re: AGD, please respond. Questoun about E-Mag trigger rod length

Originally posted by LockNLoad
I don't know who to listen to. Tunaman or CoolHand & RRFireblade.

Now you know.

I would like to state for the record,that as far as I'm aware,Tuna is a great guy and I have had nothing but respect for him so far.I have done some small business with him in the past that went well without a hitch.I'm not sure what his intent was but I have no reason,as of yet, to believe he meant any harm or meant to stir up controversy.I assume it was just an honest question that may have been worded with clearer intent.