lvl10 vs lvl7

[bp2070]

whats the difference between the lvl10 and the lvl7 bolts? im possibly trading my cocker for a mag that has an xvalve but not the lvl10 bolt, only lvl7 w/ foamie bolt.

whats the difference?

[yaddatrance]

Level 10 is the "no chop" Superbolt II...
Pros: It makes it impossible to chop balls, and is quite
a bit lighter... There is talk of improved theoretical rates
of fire because of less reciprocating mass. It also resets
after "pinching" a ball more gracefully than any other
no-chop bolt design out there.

Cons: requires a bit of fiddling to get working, and
requires higher gas pressure to operate and is slightly
less air efficient than the Level 7.

Level 7 is the previous generation bolt:
Pros: no tuning required, very fast, one of the most
air efficient bolts for the mag.

Cons: Heavier than the LX, if you stick your finger
in the breech and fire, you'll lose that finger.


My choice? Level 10 all the way.

[Dayspring]

If you're trading the gun, have the owner take the bolt out of the Xvalve. Have him look at the brass powertube tip. If it has a slot in it, it's level 7. If it's like something you'd put a wrench on, it's a level 10.

I'm fairly sure its a level 10 bolt b/c Xvalves don't come with level 7 bolts. (Unless he switched it back for some odd reason.)

[bp2070]

ya i dunno i think he is buying the xvalve used from someone or something...kind of a weird situation

he said that the foamie bolt for the lvl7 made it no chop as well...but i kinda find that hard to believe as i have seen the foamie bolt and its just like an eraser tip stuck in the middle of the bolt - havent seen or fired one thou so im not sure if it does stop chopping

[yaddatrance]

The current level 7 has no foamie and will most certainly
chop as applies the forward pressure at full PSI...

Odds are, it's a level 10.

[Raven4000SX]

The Level 10 comes with the X-Valve and if it's a used X-Valve it's most likely to come tuned.

Good job on trading your 'cocker for a Mag. We need more people like you. I live in 'cocker country. In so-cal everyone and their mom has a 'cocker. It's so annoying. When kids see my Mag they automatically assume it's a 'cocker. We need more Mags everywhere.

[bp2070]

bad news. kid decided to sell his mag for $$$ instead of trading it so im stuck with the cocker. its a good gun, shoots darts...i just dont think i really like it anymore. when i first started playing speedball i wanted to upgrade from my tippy and i though cockers were really cool. now i think the novelty has kinda worn off thou =/

oh well i still like the gun and i can confuse the **** outta newbies by explaining what all those little hoses in the front do =)

[AGDlover]

Originally posted by Raven4000SX
The Level 10 comes with the X-Valve and if it's a used X-Valve it's most likely to come tuned.

Good job on trading your 'cocker for a Mag. We need more people like you. I live in 'cocker country. In so-cal everyone and their mom has a 'cocker. It's so annoying. When kids see my Mag they automatically assume it's a 'cocker. We need more Mags everywhere.

ya in the part of IL where i live i'm the only person in my city with a mag everyone else has a cocker or spyder

the lvl 10 doesn't chop the lvl7 does simple as that

[Raven4000SX]

This is what's funny about owning a Mag.

Kid says to me: "Cool gun, may I hold it?"
Me: "Sure".
Kid:"Is this a Autococker or Angel?"
Me: "Neither, it's a Minimag".
Kid: "Nevermind".------Then he walks away.

All of a sudden my gun isn't "cool" anymore when I tell him it's a Mag. Why is this???

[paintpiggie]

who cares if he doesnt think it's cool.

break some paint on him during every game.

its not so much as a way to convince him,
but a reason for you to prove that mags dont have to be "cool".

it serves its purpose well enough.

[Raven4000SX]

I think that 'cockers got popular because of it's lying marketing scheme that they are "more accurate". I have not seen one AGD magazine ad in years. They don't make appereances at many tournaments. They don't sponser any pro teams that I know of. This may have to do a lot with the amount of people who use AGD products or even know AGD.

[bp2070]

its not so much that people think they are more accurate, i believe its just that if your gonna get a high end mech gun its either a cocker or mag and like you said AGD doesnt advertise enough. WGP doesnt even have to advertise b/c so many people have cockers its advertisment enough - its a vicious circle!

that and autocockers are a lot more customizable than mags, i mean they have to most aftermarket parts out of any gun...you can start out with a $300 cocker that will keep up with any other mech and most low end electros out there and you can upgrade it to be just as good as a timmy/matrix/viking/shocker/angel/etc

not sayin cockers are better - i mean i am trying to trade mine for a mag after all =)

[dyeforever]

wow it when from wat kinda bolt the x had to cockers vs mags. strange

[Raven4000SX]

Originally posted by bp2070
its not so much that people think they are more accurate, i believe its just that if your gonna get a high end mech gun its either a cocker or mag and like you said AGD doesnt advertise enough. WGP doesnt even have to advertise b/c so many people have cockers its advertisment enough - its a vicious circle!

that and autocockers are a lot more customizable than mags, i mean they have to most aftermarket parts out of any gun...you can start out with a $300 cocker that will keep up with any other mech and most low end electros out there and you can upgrade it to be just as good as a timmy/matrix/viking/shocker/angel/etc

not sayin cockers are better - i mean i am trying to trade mine for a mag after all =)

The only thing is, all those 'cocker upgrades just make them look different, they don't make them shoot better. With Mag's it's a different story. There are ULE parts and aftermarket rails and bodies. Things that actually make the Mag lighter and more functional.