Black Quad o-ring ???

[purplemag]

The black quad o-ring is designed for use with the e/x-mags due to less resistance, therefore better shooting and longer battery life.

Is this o-ring designed to be used in valves that utilize the two o-rings in the bottom of the on/off or should it work in all valves.
I have a mech mag and with the quad o-ring the reactivity is awesome, but it leaks and does the sprinkler effect thing.
How do you know if your valve is supposed to use the two o-ring on/off or the one?
I just don't understand why the quad would leak in my valve???

2002 Retro valve

[purplemag]

anyone? bueller, anyone???

[the electrician]

the quad o-ring works at helping the recharge rate of the gun I've noticed. the pin is only using the first of the two inner seal surfaces inside the quad ring. this seal surface is closer to the edged of the o-ring, and the pin seal is opened to a larger flow area, faster than using a normal o-ring.

I don't know what you means by sprinkler effect, does the quad ring fit snugly in your valve? does it seems to seal around the pin? have you tried shimming the RT on/off to keep it from coming down due to air pressure force?

[purplemag]

The quad seems to fit in just like any other on/off o-ring.
I guess I am wondering if the quad is designed to work only in valves that have been designed for the two o-ring on/off assembly.
I believe mine is only the one o-ring style and possiby why I would have problems with the quad style. How can one tell what number of o-rings the on/off is supposed to have??? Is based on date of production or certain valves or what???
Sorry if that does not make much sense! I tried to explain it like I am thinking it!

[RRfireblade]

The number of intended o-rings is apparent by simply looking in the on/off opening.

The bottom of the on/off hole is either flat on the bottom or milled with an outer shelf that takes the place of the outer o-ring.

As for the quad,I don't see why it won't work in either valve,I can only say that I've put the quad in every valve I've ever had.(I have my reasons )

And have had no ill effects by doing so.

What kind of probs are you having?

[purplemag]

Hey Jay
The gun just seemed to be "acting up". It would kinda act like the LVL 10 was kicking and not resetting right, or it would chuff quite a bit. It would do the sprinkler effect if i held the trigger back.
I guess it may have been a bad quad o-ring, but have heard reports that those things rarely go bad.
I put in a regular on/off o-ring for the retro valve and it seems to work well with no chuffing or sprinkler.
think it was just a bad o-ring???

[the electrician]

like I said, the seal point is physically lower with a quad ring, than with a regular o-ring. this may make your retro valve have a recharge problem at lower input psi. shim up your on/off. maybe .020" see if that helps.

[purplemag]

Don't have a ULT kit, so hard to shim it up? Any other suggestions? It is not the end of the world, but when I had the quad in there and it was kinda working, the reactivity was super easy to control, and very very quick.
You can imagine this would be an ideal situation, so would like to figure it out!

[RRfireblade]

on/off pin to short.

Sounds like it's border line,try tightening down the field strip screw with an allen wrench.If that helps than your pins a hair to short. :)

[athomas]

My single o-ring emag valve uses the quad o-ring.

Your "lawn sprinkler" leaking problem probably was a bad or dirty o-ring.

You can shim your on/off top using the level 10 shims. Each level 10 shim is equal to 2 ULT shims.

[purplemag]

now you cannot laugh, but i have no expierience with the ULT on/off, so where would I shim the on/off if I needed to? I am guessing just place a shim in right over the quad o-ring? Thanks!

[the electrician]

the RT on/off is actually two pieces. top and bottom. take them apart apart and put the shims in around the threads of the bottom part, like the shims were washers.

I use a shimmed up RT on/off with a quad ring in a classic valve, e-mag conversion. it helped enough to get my bps up to 18, from 16.

[RRfireblade]

now you cannot laugh, but i have no expierience with the ULT on/off, so where would I shim the on/off if I needed to? I am guessing just place a shim in right over the quad o-ring? Thanks!

As the electrician has said,but that has the same effect as shortening the on/off pin which I will assume,will make your problems worse.

[the electrician]

why would putting in a quad make the pin shorter though?

he said it was a retro valve. so isn't the pin supposed to be the standard .75" length?
alright purplemag take the pin out and measure it.

[RRfireblade]

why would putting in a quad make the pin shorter though?

he said it was a retro valve. so isn't the pin supposed to be the standard .75" length?
alright purplemag take the pin out and measure it.

I was talking about shimming it as you suggested.