(ULT + Intelliframe) = dissapointment

[nate2k191]

Through monotinous testing i have come to the conclusion that the parts inside the Intelliframe, that you add after you buy it, destructively interfere with the ULT and how the gun shoots. When the sear rubs against the roller switch, the roller switch puts more pressure upward onto the on/off pin or something. This causes the reactivity of the trigger to change and also causes a "short-stroking" effect every few shots. Which means the $50 ULT will not work with the the $120 intelliframe at the same time, and i desperately want ot use them both, or i wouldn't have bought them. There may be a solution, but i don't know one.



if you wanna read:

how i came to the conclusion that the combo doesnt work:
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i set up my gun fine when i got my x-valve and ult, but i noticed the new sear that came with the x-valve was smaller than mine. the newer and smaller sear could no longer push the roller switch all the way and if the switch in the intelliframe doesnt go in when the trigger is pulled, then the hopper doesn't agitate. I decided to swith out the small sear for my older one which was bigger. Now my hopper agitated when i pulled the trigger, but when i shot, i got the short-stroking sound often (once every 3-4 shots). Then i decided to use the small sear again to see if it would stop the short-stroking effect, and it did, but once again, i had no agitation in the hopper. i knew this was because the sear wasn't pushing the sitch all the way in, so i decided to move the switch higher so it would go in all the way when i pulled the trigger using the small sear. when i tested the gun, i got the short-stroke sound a lot. i then came to the conclusion that its not the sear thats messing everything up, its the contact between the sear, the roller switch and the ULT that disturbs everything

[abaez]

If this was true it would have been identified long ago. That bottom sear I have never seen before only the top and I have never had a problem. You probably put the switch too high up.

[vf-xx]

Maybe it has something to do with your rail? I use ULT with an intelliframe on my RTP with no problems whatsoever.

[nate2k191]

i need the agitation from the intelli and the ultra light trigger pull! must find a solution!

[Z-man]

Although it's not the fix I think you are looking for might I suggest a Halo TSA? I did the intillifeed for a while and it was nice but then I got a TSA (sound activated hopper) and realized that I got the exact same effect but without any wires. I was very pleased and they are not that expensive either.

Anyhow I lke the thought you put into that post. My only other thought is the same as was mentioned. Perhaps you moved the switch up too high? I do notice the pressure too though.

[ZapTheMad]

I have a TSA also, love the heck out of it. I never liked the idea of wires hanging out the side of my gun that can get caught on branches or something and yanked out.

[the electrician]

Even cheaper, the reloader kit for a revolution. buy it, and just use the circuit board. that's what i do. I prefer the original revo servo. that's a $40 part that will work with any gun.


as for the parts you already have. don't blame the most expensive parts.
change the micro switch. either change the micro switch so that the sear just actuates it, or get a switch with alot less actuaion force. they make ones that are 25 g, that I guaruntee are lighter than the one you are using.

use a smaller lighter switch, if you have to drill different mounting holes, so be it. take your time. make it work.

there's a dozen solutions, some more expensive than others.
the TSA would be the most expensive, yet more overall solution.
the reloader kit does the same thing, not quite as good, but alot cheaper.
the switch is the most inexpensive, at about $1, and is a very simple solution.

[nate2k191]

its not that the switch is up too high, becuase i have it where it barely triggers it. Anyway i think ill try the new switch solution, do you know where i can buy a lighter switch like you are talking about? the radioshacks around here only have the one i use now. thanks for your help so far guys.

[Dayspring]

I would normally agree with this, but the roller switch is contacting the clevis on the wrong side of the sear. If it were pushing on the On/off pin, it would have to be on the other side of the axle hole. Right now, if it's pushing on anything, it's the side that locks the bolt in.

And I don't see how a (guessing) 50gram switch can hurt a pin that needs 15oz of pressure to actuate.

FYI- Post #6000. :)

Through monotinous testing i have come to the conclusion that the parts inside the Intelliframe, that you add after you buy it, destructively interfere with the ULT and how the gun shoots. When the sear rubs against the roller switch, the roller switch puts more pressure upward onto the on/off pin or something. This causes the reactivity of the trigger to change and also causes a "short-stroking" effect every few shots. Which means the $50 ULT will not work with the the $120 intelliframe at the same time, and i desperately want ot use them both, or i wouldn't have bought them. There may be a solution, but i don't know one.

[Boobie817]

timing problem

i have an intelli wired to my warp with the ult and an x. it all works fine. the chuffing that your getting is from you short stroking. your pulling the trigger too soon. its a timing problem it has nothing to do with the switch. you have to tune the ult so its a little harder to pull, i thing removing shims. What gun is this on? I have a mini with a factory rail and body.

[nate2k191]

its on a 68 mag but it got upraded to an x-valve. its not a finger problem (shorrt stroking) im sure.

[jwalker87]

have you tried adding more ULT shims? I think perhaps you tuned the ULT without the switch, and adding the switch changed the pressures and that related stuff, so you may need to retune your ULT with the switch in.

[nate2k191]

good idea, i'll try that

[adlar]

Try this thread for microswitches. I'm guessing the larger microswitches he sells will work fine, or he could at least get you one that would work :)

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=115392