will it fit?

[pickedlast]

i was wondering if an x-valve would fit on a powerfed micromag.. i got a few weeks ago... actually new.. mad crazy if u ask me.. but i was lookin into the x-valves.. i was wonderin if the y grip would fit too... check yall later

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[Dayspring]

Yes and yes, although the on/off pin that the Xvalve comes with may be too long. PTP Mircomags have AWFUL tolerances.

[RRfireblade]

i was wondering if an x-valve would fit on a powerfed micromag.. i got a few weeks ago... actually new.. mad crazy if u ask me.. but i was lookin into the x-valves.. i was wonderin if the y grip would fit too... check yall later

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Sure, will work like a champ.

Will also require a .700 on/off pin.

'Tolerances' on Micromags are just fine despite some other opinions.

[pickedlast]

ok.. well i dont know what tolerances are.. im new to mags... 3 weeks and 3 days to be exact... always liked the look of them... but if someone could explain what tolerances are.. i would be grateful.. i wish i could post pics too.. cuz i am hopin the dye sticky 3s i ordered fit on my double finger trigger... if not o well.. ill make them fit... i aint gonna waste no $20 i could have used on paint.. anywho.. yea tolerances... what they be? thanks in advance

[Dayspring]

Stuff like this-

An Xvalve stock on/off pin is .750". ALL Stock Xvalve pins are .750". PTP mags have custom shaved pins PER GUN.

I've seen pin sizes go from .770" to .690". The Emag version of the gun requires a spacer in between the body and the gripframe b/c the body was milled too short. Tolerances is what AGD uses and what PTP dreams about.

[WickeDKlowN]

I never had tolerance issues with my MicroMag, but I suppose having PTP as my local shop dosn't hurt

[pickedlast]

alright.... i understand.. for the most part.. but what is the on/off pin.. im guessing this little piece im lookin at... but umm maybe a pic.. or a really good description.. cuz i know nothin bout mags except how to clean them.. well... thanks in advance again

[RRfireblade]

Stuff like this-

An Xvalve stock on/off pin is .750". ALL Stock Xvalve pins are .750". PTP mags have custom shaved pins PER GUN.

I've seen pin sizes go from .770" to .690". The Emag version of the gun requires a spacer in between the body and the gripframe b/c the body was milled too short. Tolerances is what AGD uses and what PTP dreams about.

Not true.

Not true about the difference in pins,I can say the same about certain AGD Mags I've serviced.And trust me,I've serviced alot more of both than you have.

Not the reason for the different length pins ,at least know what you talking about.

AGD has used 4 different length on/off pins on various Mags over the years and 2 were in the same model marker, it's not the major issue that certain unknowledgable people make it out to be. As long as the length is correct for the gun it's in,it has no other negative effects.

The pin length is the only 'arguably' questionable spec as it relates to MicroMags.Funny that the tech board is NOT full of MicroMag probs,instead of all the AGD Mag/Emag/Xmag probs(specially since there are only like 300 Xmags) that you see, since Micros are so 'awefull'.

[pickedlast]

ok i think im gonna go with fireblade on this one... sounds like he knows what hes talkin about... soo if i get the x-valve it should work without any other special parts right? if not... explain in SUPER DETAIL what i will need and maybe pics or sumthin... email me if u need to for pics... [email protected] umm.. other then that im clueless on everything... and if it would be easier to tell me a site where i can find just about everything, diagrams and whatnot.. let me know... SUPER THANKS FROM ME!!!

[RRfireblade]

All you'll need is a shorter on/off pin. When you get the valve, look at the bottom of it,you will see a square shaped brass insert with a small round pin in the middle.If you pull that brass part out, you will then see the thin metal pin that runs through the middle of the insert.

That whole brass insert is the on/off assembly and the thin metal pin is the on/off pin. The simplest way for you would be call Proteam and request the correct pin for ~$8.

Or....

You can send in the whole gun w/ the valve and have it installed by them (with the correct pin) for only the cost of shipping.

You can PM or IM me if you have any questions.

Jay.

[Dayspring]

I said a stock Xvalve. Right outta the box. The gun specific ones are standardized. The RT Pros (up until recently) are .765". Not so with the PTPs. I'm not gonna argue about it. I've seen the problems. So has Havoc, so has Tunaman.

And before you start in on the whole "I've serviced more than you have" just stop right there.

Not true.

Not true about the difference in pins,I can say the same about certain AGD Mags I've serviced.And trust me,I've serviced alot more of both than you have.

Not the reason for the different length pins ,at least know what you talking about.

AGD has used 4 different length on/off pins on various Mags over the years and 2 were in the same model marker, it's not the major issue that certain unknowledgable people make it out to be. As long as the length is correct for the gun it's in,it has no other negative effects.

The pin length is the only 'arguably' questionable spec as it relates to MicroMags.Funny that the tech board is NOT full of MicroMag probs,instead of all the AGD Mag/Emag/Xmag probs(specially since there are only like 300 Xmags) that you see, since Micros are so 'awefull'.

[RRfireblade]

I said a stock Xvalve. Right outta the box. The gun specific ones are standardized. The RT Pros (up until recently) are .765". Not so with the PTPs. I'm not gonna argue about it. I've seen the problems. So has Havoc, so has Tunaman.

What does a individually packaged valve have to do with anything? Are you saying .750 works in every mag 'right out of the box'?

But thanks for backing up my point. X- valves stock- .750, RTPs-.765 , Emags - .712 or .725 depending in the on/off assembly.........at least we can agree on that.

And I said nothing about Havoc or Tunaman, they're not who I was talking to, is all your knowledge on the subject based on 'other' peoples opinions or your own? Yup,thought so.

And before you start in on the whole "I've serviced more than you have" just stop right there.

Why should I? I know where my opinions come from, I don't have to ask anybody else what they are..........

[Dayspring]

Did I say they'd work in every gun right out of the box? No. Not ONCE. I said a STOCK Xvalve. Straight outta the box.

I'm not gonna argue this with you. You're closed minded and won't really listen to the other side of the fence here. I said earlier that I've seen the problems with the PTP mags. I was stating that two other reputable people (whos opinions I hold highly) have also had similar problems. What you choose to believe or not believe is not my problem, nor do I care anymore.

And this is not you winning. This is me no longer listening to the drivel...

What does a individually packaged valve have to do with anything? Are you saying .750 works in every mag 'right out of the box'?

But thanks for backing up my point. X- valves stock- .750, RTPs-.765 , Emags - .712 or .725 depending in the on/off assembly.........at least we can agree on that.

And I said nothing about Havoc or Tunaman, they're not who I was talking to, is all your knowledge on the subject based on 'other' peoples opinions or your own? Yup,thought so.




Why should I? I know where my opinions come from, I don't have to ask anybody else what they are..........

[RRfireblade]

Did I say they'd work in every gun right out of the box? No. Not ONCE. I said a STOCK Xvalve. Straight outta the box.

I'm not gonna argue this with you. You're closed minded and won't really listen to the other side of the fence here. I said earlier that I've seen the problems with the PTP mags. I was stating that two other reputable people (whos opinions I hold highly) have also had similar problems. What you choose to believe or not believe is not my problem, nor do I care anymore.

And this is not you winning. This is me no longer listening to the drivel...

Yeah, I'm closed minded.....nice try Mr. Kettle.I continue to use valid points to back up my statements,I suppose that's too much to ask in return.Altho,he said she said is almost as good.

FYI, I still don't know what the fact that an item 'ships' with a specific size part has to do with the fact that there are 4 different sizes of those parts required to make said 'stock' part work in any given marker.I never argued that it doesn't' ship in the manner you suggest(trust me I have 3 sitting right here),only that if left in that condition it will not work in every marker 'out of the box'. Sorry if that train of thought is lost on you,I though it was a simple point.

For the record,I also never stated or implyed Micros are perfect,I am more than willing to admit that they can and have had some issues in the past,much like some AGD markers or markers by any other manufacturer.Some times 'crap' happens and you have to deal with it.The issue with the pin length is a case in point. My point overall was simply and I hope clearly made that they are no where near as bad as 'certain' people suggest. The overwellming majority of them function with out incident and are still an the market to this day.As well as regularly backed up by owners who state them as being trouble free,I've owned 15-20 of them myself,that's likely enough alone to counter the other 'authorities' on the subject,not including (by a long shot) the numbers I have delt with professionally.Your catagorization of 'aweful' is completely unfair and unwarranted and basically baseless other that of outside opinions from those of who have unknown or limited experience as far as I can tell. Just because someone has seen "One that......." or "One needed......" or "I saw one that..." , does not condem the whole lot IMO. As I previously stated I can also say that about pretty much every other brand out there,from WGP,WDP,AKA,ECT. and included the precious AGD markers for "personal" experience.

But we can agree to disagree, I honestly didn't expect anything more from you. So in that regard, I wish you a good day.