I heard the ult does not hold up to the 26 bps w/o shootdown test. At what ROF does the ult start limiting performance? It's in the high teens at least, right?
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ya it will slow ROF down because its useing more return force it needs to rest and whatnotEuro E-mag | TL63 | XMOD| EM01610
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Originally posted by AGDloverComment
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the ult will cut down on the reactive pressure that the valve exerts on your finger on the release of the trigger.... i guess there might be a pont when the valve will not return any more times per second with the ult... but lets put it this way... it is waaaaay faster than you can pull the trigger-legally... when my ult was new it was still very reactive and i could push my halo into missfeeds, so around 20bps+/-... but that was bouncing the trigger in "rapid fire" and was way faster than i could hope to pull unassisted...
-kyroComment
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My ULT will rapid-fire up to 18 cps. My stock on/off will hit something around that as well, though I havn't done sound analysis on the normal on/off yet. I'm fairly certain I'm limited by the input pressure to the valve - with an adjustable tank I bet I could hit higher speeds.
The ULT puts a limitation on the user in the form of much easier shortstroking under fast rates of fire. I'm not sure the ULT on/off itself limits the flow at all compared to the stock on/off.
A good way to find out would be to link the trigger to a solenoid run off of a clock generator and have the valve and on/off be tested that way - just dial up the pulse frequency until the valve starts chuffing or gets shootdown. Too involved for me to test though.Comment
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that's what the question was, not 'how fast is the ult in real life'. I thought the ult limited the recharge rate of the xvalve becasus it had a smaller pin. That some of you get full velocity shooting at 20bps seems to indicate it's not a problem though.A good way to find out would be to link the trigger to a solenoid run off of a clock generator and have the valve and on/off be tested that way - just dial up the pulse frequency until the valve starts chuffing or gets shootdown. Too involved for me to test though.
I used to run a ult and I seem to think the RT is more consistent, it might just be placebo effect though.
I'm building an emag around the ult so I guess I'll see....as soon as I get the money.Comment
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Well in theory the ULT should not impose any restriction on the CPS at all - the pin being smaller means *more* air will flow past it, not less. I havn't looked at the housings to figure out if the holes are the same, but it seems to me that they should be.Comment
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still debating if i should keep my x valve with the stock on off or go to a ULT kit. Im running about 850-900psi on my 68ci 4500 maxflo and it does use quite a bit of air. Im thinking about dropping to 750-800input psi and using the ULT kit.Comment
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do not use ULT on the Emag/Xmag... they're not designed to work with the soleniod... something about the reactive pressure is too light on the solenoid and it causes problems....
thats all i can recall on the topic... do some searching on that to make sure one way or the other..
-kyroComment
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I suspect Trains Are Bad is building something new. A smaller noid would be fine with the ULT, just look at the devilmag. Looking at the video, high rates of fire doesn't seem to be a problemComment
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It's because the ULT doesn't provide enough return force to reset the heavy sear/solenoid assembly. Using it in a Hyperframe is different as the solenoid is ALOT smaller.
Originally posted by CaliMagFanComment
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its true they reccomend use of the ult for the hyperframe and spyder mag conversions... when trains said he was building an emag around the ULT, i thought he literraly meant that... like hooking emag lowers to his rail and valve....
makes me wonder why AGD didnt ditch the larger solenoid for their Xmag when they made the ult.. because like you say Dayspring, its too weak to reset the heavy solenoid currently used.... but if they had gone to a smaller noid, they could have use the ULT and been able to get rid of the sometimes disliked/heavy emag/xmag battery pack in the foregrip and gone with somehting more 9 voltish...
penny for your pocket if not for your thoughts...
-kyroComment
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That's why AGD is going about redesigning a new E-marker, to use all the innovations that have come about since the Emag first debuted.Comment
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