Is CO2 obsolete

[king4eternity]

Hi All,

I have a 68 automag and was thinking of upgrading. However, I have been doing some research and found that compressed air or nitrogen increases performance significantly. Especially in areas of:

1. Chambre fillup times
2. Rapid fire responses
3. Liquid build up
4. Less frequent velocity changes
5. etc....

My questions are:

1. Will the 68 auto mag level 7 work with nitrogen or compressed air? My guess is it can't because its design will only allow a max of 350psi before the safty valve kicks in.

2. Will CO2 eventually become obsolete? I am guessing it will as the demand for better performance increases.

3. Do paintball guns really perform better on compressed air and nitrogen than guns with CO2? Probably a dumb question because it appears I just answered that, however, I would like to get a consensus.

4. Should the average consumer, who might become a serious PB player, lean towards buying a starter gun that is powered by nitrogen or compressed air?


King

[king4eternity]

I just re-checked the specs for the 68 AM L7 and need to make a correction about the MAX psi in the chambre.

Its MAX is not 350psi, but 550psi before the blow off valve kicks in. This can translate to about 340fps. Not too shabby for a CO2 power.


King

[Evil Emperor]

Yes your lvl 7 will work fine with HP and work much better since in rapid fire Co2 can freeze your orings to the point were you gun wont fire.
Yes HP will make your gun perform better becouse it provides a consistent air supply while Co2 has to convert from liquid to a gas and your pressure goes up and down as you play.

[frop]

My questions are:

1. Will the 68 auto mag level 7 work with nitrogen or compressed air? My guess is it can't because its design will only allow a max of 350psi before the safty valve kicks in.

2. Will CO2 eventually become obsolete? I am guessing it will as the demand for better performance increases.

3. Do paintball guns really perform better on compressed air and nitrogen than guns with CO2? Probably a dumb question because it appears I just answered that, however, I would like to get a consensus.

4. Should the average consumer, who might become a serious PB player, lean towards buying a starter gun that is powered by nitrogen or compressed air?


King

1) Yeah, it'll work. The pressure in the dump chamber is irrelevant as to C02/HPA compatibility.]

2) CO2 already is obsolete, it's been obsolete since TK created the first N2 tank, it's still used mainly b/c of price(high initial cost for HPA),availibility in some areas, and the natural resistance of many people to change.

3) As in, will you have to crank down your velocity a whole lot? No,not really, HPA's primary advantage is consistency.

4) Frankly, no. I say that b/c the avg consumer in PB is a minor, no job, only chores as ioncome, and may or may not be spoiled by parents. The prob again is the high initial costs of an HPA system. THe best bet is to go HPA if and when a player decides to become serious.

[xballfan780]

i dont think co2 will ever become obsolete , because newbs and people who dont want to spend over 25 bucks on a tank will never want to buy a 80-200 doller tank. So unless hpa tanks drop there valve , I belive that co2 will be around for a long time.

[king4eternity]

The feedback is great! Much appreciated!

I used to be a serious PB player a looooooong time ago, but school and money became a factor and I had to give it up. That said, I have been introduced to alot of new concepts of PB in the last week as I have been asked just recently to get back into it. Ready and pumped just thinking I can get into it just like that, I realize PB is in a new age. So, I am having a hard time with coming to grips with the reality of being a newbie all over again. ahhhhhhhhhhh....not like there is n e thing wrong with that.

How do I get my L7 to run on hpa? Can I just plug it in or do I need a speciall adapter and tank?

I think I am going to stick with my L7, my guess is it is still a great gun and with a few modifications (one being the L10 upgrade) and $300 dollars later I can be up there as far as bing in sync with 'the new age of PB'.

King

[frop]

PPL still buy 'obsolete' things, i.e. a computer that aint top of the line. THe point is that there is better technology out there & in use.

King:
Yeah, just screw in the tank, chrony, & start rockin! Hey, you're only a half-noob, so it's ok

[trains are bad]

2) CO2 already is obsolete, it's been obsolete since TK created the first N2 tank, it's still used mainly b/c of price(high initial cost for HPA),availibility in some areas, and the natural resistance of many people to change.

No. HPA is NOT superior in every way to CO2. CO2 is NOT obsolete. Co2 still does some things better than HPA, in some applications it is superior. HPA is just more idoit proof, works better across all platforms and in more situations. If you know what you're doing with co2 you will never say that it is obsolete.

But yeah, mags run terrible on CO2, get hpa asap, even if it's a classic.

[Titansu]

Will CO2 eventually become obsolete?

No, you exhale it after every breath.

[jamescell]

I must say hpa is a must for any mag owner. The biggest advantage I have found with hpa is self fills. A very small investment and you can get a scuba, outlaw paint ball needed this years ago! I run a small field behind my house and the fact that I can supply air for all my buddies makes the day go by so much smoother. There was nothing I hated more than having to go to the pb store mid day to get co2. Of course the CO2 tanks are so cheap you can get a bunch of them and never have worry about that, but thats just more o-rings you have to replace. My O-rings have been lasting a whole year with hpa.

[warbeak2099]

No. HPA is NOT superior in every way to CO2. CO2 is NOT obsolete. Co2 still does some things better than HPA, in some applications it is superior. HPA is just more idoit proof, works better across all platforms and in more situations. If you know what you're doing with co2 you will never say that it is obsolete.

But yeah, mags run terrible on CO2, get hpa asap, even if it's a classic.

Uh oh, we got a "Palmerite" here!

[Pacifist_Farmer]

[king4eternity]

Yoh dude,

I think the meaning of the title was well understood by the general populace of this forum.

Its not an English class but a PB forum!!

Nice wast of a reply btw...

King

[Asym]

The biggest advantage I have found with hpa is self fills.

CO2 self fills are even cheaper, tanks for bulk CO2 fills are much cheaper than a scuba tanks. CO2 tanks need to be hydro tested every 5 years. Scuba I "think" need visual inspections each year and not sure on the hydro requirements. Both cost about the same amount to fill at about $5 a fill, but its the higher initial cost of the tank.

How do I get my L7 to run on hpa? Can I just plug it in or do I need a speciall adapter and tank?

Preset tanks like the crossfire and PMI tanks are screw in tanks with the same threads as your old CO2 tanks, so its just a screw in replacement nothing special needed.

[zzbudzz]

i played last sunday for the first time in about 4 years and i used a 47/3000 tank i bought. it was nice to fill up in about 10 seconds ,walk back on the field and never take the tank off your gun.....just wish i had a 68/4500 fiberwrapped tank " much lighter..