Clarification please...

[Guapo]

Someone gave me a good deal on an E-mag valve. I'd like to switch out an electric trigger I have on my Mag and try an Intelliframe and ULE Trigger Pull kit. Will this be compatible with the E-mag valve? As I understand it, they are the same thing as the X-valve, right?

Thanks,
~D

[Beemer]

See if this Helps

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=96538

Does it have a single o ring top

[Thourne]

You should be able to do it. I am currently running an Emag valve with all original on/off valves and seals and it works great as a RT style gun. I have a blade intelliframe and a AM/MM rail. It shoots great and is an excellent shooting gun.

[Guapo]

Thanks for responding.
I currently have an older Centerflag Hyper Frame on it right now. I had all sorts of leaking problems with it until I sent it away to Centerflag and they were able to fix it. Then I bought the E-mag valve and I'm leaking air again. I'm pretty tired of how unreliable an electric trigger is, so that's why I thought I'd get the Intelliframe and ULT.
I'll give it a try and see what happens.

Does anyone know of any Mag-techs in Arizona?

[Enemy]

give ult a shot with the hyper frame!! the hyper frames noid is to small so it needs a lower trigger pressure to work well!! all they did to get your hyper frame working before is play with on/off pin lengths which is what the ult does!!

[Guapo]

That's a good suggestions. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[athomas]

I would check to see if the emag valve accepts the ULT. The older emag valves only used the single o-ring in the on-off top. The single o-ring valves aren't compatible with the ULT.

[Thourne]

Even if you only have a single oring topped emag valve you can have some airsmiths mill out the extra space to where it will accept the ULT. I can't remember the airsmiths, but I think Rogue Factor, or Tunaman will do it .

[Guapo]

Well I popped the ULT into the valve and it leaks just as bad as the emag on/off assembly. There was no difference. What is that very little black o-ring for in the ULT package? Do you think I need to put more shims in? I'm at a loss.

[Guapo]

Okay, with zero or one shim there is no leak, but the marker will not fire. With two shims, it leaks BADLY. With one shim and one shim from the level 10 bolt kit, it still leaks bad. Ugh! Anyone know a good Automag specialist in Arizona? I am SO ready to ship it off somewhere and have them work on it. I've had nothing but problems with that Hyper Frame. Is there a place that will service and custom tune your mag?

[Aleis]

leaking beacuse of your frame? the frame shouldn't matter with that are you sure it's not a Lvl X adjustment leak

[Guapo]

To be honest I have no idea why it's leaking. It's tricky to trouble shoot the source of a leak with a hyper frame installed because you can't hold the trigger down. I've been using Mag's since Level 5 and they used to be so easy to work on. I've kind of been out of the scene the last few years though and would like to start getting back into playing again.

I noticed on the ULT, the two pieces don't really seem to go together very tight. When I tighten it, it just spins. I'd almost say it was stripped, but I just got it today and I certainly didn't over tighten anything.

Ugh, I'm ready to ship it somewhere or have someone tune and repair it. Who's got the time for all this?! I'm sure the leak is because of one of the following:
1. grinded down sear
2. level 10 issues
3. on/off pin
4. a gremlin inside it

I was actually kind of encouraged when the leak stopped with only one shim in the ULT. However, since it wouldn't shoot, perhaps there is an issue with the frame or the sear?

[Aleis]

unscrewed the two pieces in the ULT? did you ever remove teh on/off pin from the ULT? if you did it's extremely possible you bent the pin as it's very thin, once bent theres no rebending it back.

Also can you tell where teh gun is leaking? out hte bolt or are you sure its before that? Also what kind of bolt do you have the old lvl 7 or the new anti-chop lvl x superbolt

[Thourne]

Guapo,

I once tinkered with a mag with Booh-yah frame that had the same trouble once Lvl 10 was installed. I found it next to impossible to do any types of adjustments with the E-Frame. You need to do all your adjustments with a manual frame and then introduce the E-Frame into the mix. You are troubleshooting a system. You need to reduce it to it's barebones and make sure everything works and then add other systems in and troubleshoot them so you know exactly what the problem is. I'm not really too sure about the ULT and how it hsould look off the top of my head - but I wouldn't try to troubleshoot with the E-Frame attached simply because it overcomplicates your work.

[athomas]

I noticed on the ULT, the two pieces don't really seem to go together very tight. When I tighten it, it just spins. I'd almost say it was stripped, but I just got it today and I certainly didn't over tighten anything.

It does spin. The threads allow the two halves to fit together and prevent them from separating. The male threads go past the female threads so that the on-off top can "float" above the on-off bottom. The amount of separation between the top and bottom in this "floating" condition is determined by the shims.

When you have no shims in the on-off assembly, the top o-ring is probably always in contact with the top of the pin preventing air flow. Once you add more shims, you are providing separation between the top o-ring and the top of the pin while at rest which allows air flow. If the gun now leaks, you must determine where it is leaking from. The leak is most likely out the powertube front or around the outside of the on-off bottom assembly.