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  • chjoak
    Fledgling Gun Whore
    • Dec 2004
    • 344

    #1

    Mag with CO2

    I know Mags tend to run better on Nitro but in my area not all fields have Nitro stations. So if I were setting up my Mag on CO2 would it be better to run the air through an expansion chamber or Palmer Stab? I am not extremely familiar with Stabs and am not sure how they work with CO2 or how it would affect a Mag. Any help would be appreciated.
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  • Asym
    Registered User
    • Sep 2004
    • 209

    #2
    I've done both, the stabilizer works best in my experiance. My setup for the longest time was an expansion chamber on the VA adapter and a sideline stabilizer which worked great but added extra weight. Last year I switched to a male stabilizer in the VA adapter and got rid of the expansion chamber which also worked fine. Both setups were fed from either a remote or directly from a bottle without an anti-siphon tube.

    I always had problems with liquid CO2 when I only used an expansion chamber but I never tried it with an anti-siphon tube in the tank. The sideline stabilizers are a little more work since its an adjust and try thing since there is no place for a guage on the sideline version.

    It would be cheaper to use an expansion chamber and anti-siphon tubes over the stabilizer. The problem I had was I have multiple guns I use tanks on and the anti-siphon tubes are set for the gun your seting it up for.

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    • Jaan
      It's Pronounced *John*

      • Apr 2005
      • 1310

      #3
      I'm assuming you're talking about a "Classic" 'Mag. A good expansion chamber will be just fine, and if you mount the bottle horizontally to the bottom line, put an anti syphon tube in it. Going with a remote tank on your back is probably the best place to put a CO2 tank.

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      • Phantom_Mag
        MLHeld.com

        • May 2002
        • 948

        #4
        When i ran my mag off of co2 i never froze up EVER. And i had a few different methiods. I use the Co2 vert from the asa. And i also used a cheap expansion chamber with the co2 off a drop. I never had an antisyphoned tank. Maybe i was lucky i dont know but i never froze up and i used each of those setups for years. With 12, 9, 4, and 3.5oz tanks.

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        • Cow hunter
          300fps=204.54mph
          • Aug 2005
          • 1521

          #5
          for the first time my mag froze and started shooting bits of frozen metal.......... it was cool but very sad

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          • chjoak
            Fledgling Gun Whore
            • Dec 2004
            • 344

            #6
            My current setup is as follows:

            Classic 68 Mag
            47/3000 steel nitro tank
            small drop forward
            asa with on/off
            microline straight from asa to valve

            One of my other reasons (besides nitro availability) is that this setup (steel tank) is a bit heavy and I cannot afford a fiber wrapped tank.

            I was thing about replacing the nitro with a 9 or 12 oz aluminum CO2 tank and doing one of the following setups:

            1. put an expansion chamber on the va
            2. put a male stab on the va
            3. use a female stab as the asa and run a line from there to the valve

            Any opinions?
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            • BaaL
              Mag owner wannabe
              • Aug 2005
              • 19

              #7
              Originally posted by chjoak
              My current setup is as follows:

              Classic 68 Mag
              47/3000 steel nitro tank
              small drop forward
              asa with on/off
              microline straight from asa to valve

              One of my other reasons (besides nitro availability) is that this setup (steel tank) is a bit heavy and I cannot afford a fiber wrapped tank.

              I was thing about replacing the nitro with a 9 or 12 oz aluminum CO2 tank and doing one of the following setups:

              1. put an expansion chamber on the va
              2. put a male stab on the va
              3. use a female stab as the asa and run a line from there to the valve

              Any opinions?
              female stab as asa to exp chmbr to vlv

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              • JKR
                Stainless Steel 'Mag Lover
                • Sep 2003
                • 392

                #8
                I use an expansion chamber connected to the vert asa and a 16 oz antisiphon CO2 tank on the bottomline and have no problems with my Classic freezing up. I also don't shoot more then 5-6 bps either so take that into consideration with my above statement.

                Another trick for CO2 use: get the largest tank you can stand and then don't fill it all the way. I try not to fill my 16oz tank to more than 12 oz to further help the antisiphon setup keep the liquid out.

                Justin

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                • stoupa
                  just some woodsballer
                  • Apr 2004
                  • 221

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chjoak
                  My current setup is as follows:

                  Classic 68 Mag
                  47/3000 steel nitro tank
                  small drop forward
                  asa with on/off
                  microline straight from asa to valve

                  One of my other reasons (besides nitro availability) is that this setup (steel tank) is a bit heavy and I cannot afford a fiber wrapped tank.

                  I was thing about replacing the nitro with a 9 or 12 oz aluminum CO2 tank and doing one of the following setups:

                  1. put an expansion chamber on the va
                  2. put a male stab on the va
                  3. use a female stab as the asa and run a line from there to the valve

                  Any opinions?
                  2 or 3, it's up to you and your preferences. You could also get an anti-siphon tube in the tank, matched to the ASA (let a proshop handle this).
                  But don't use an expansion chamber after a regulator! It will only make your velocity less constistent. If you don't trust me, ask Palmers.
                  BTW: You probably know this, but only Classic valves work on CO2.
                  my feedback:
                  http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152549

                  my mag. Not ULE at all
                  CF31658

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                  • chjoak
                    Fledgling Gun Whore
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 344

                    #10
                    Excuse my Palmer Stab ignorance but what exactly does a stab do for CO2 that and expansion chamber does not?
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                    • stoupa
                      just some woodsballer
                      • Apr 2004
                      • 221

                      #11
                      Originally posted by chjoak
                      Excuse my Palmer Stab ignorance but what exactly does a stab do for CO2 that and expansion chamber does not?
                      PPS has a quite comprehensive explanation on their website:

                      my feedback:
                      http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=152549

                      my mag. Not ULE at all
                      CF31658

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