tac one not fast enough

[chrisbchips]

i got the tac one off special ops paintball. cool gun. comes pertty well loaded. But I can not get it to shoot like in the level ten videos. I would like at least a three round burst. I added shims to the ult. doses the same thing as when i got the gun. I changed carriers and the springs. I just want to shot fast. WHAT do i do,anybody! Also talk in simple terms i am new to the game.

[RingOfScale]

I've never personally used a mag before ... but the one thing i can say is that reactivity of a trigger (probably what your looking for) is based off of the output pressure of the tank. What type of tank are you using, and do you know what its output pressure is?

-rIng

[MMaglpc]

how about this from a mag owner, i have a hyperframe on my mag and it still isnt that fast. So take my advice sell the tac and get an ion or an a5 w/ an e grip.

[Kwaidd]

the whole speed thing evades me. if ya need to shoot umpteen balls a second to be able to tag someone, take up bowling or something chuckle

just kiddin around...kind of =p

just seems like these days all it is, is spray and pray ftw.

[Recon by Fire]

Shove as many shims in that ULT as possible and crank up the input pressure. I have 4 shims in my ULT and when I crank my input to 900psi you have to try NOT to send a string down range with every pull of the trigger. The thing is a buzz saw :)

[BigEvil]

Shove as many shims in that ULT as possible and crank up the input pressure. I have 4 shims in my ULT and when I crank my input to 900psi you have to try NOT to send a string down range with every pull of the trigger. The thing is a buzz saw :)

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Listen to him. If you have a ULT then add more shims to it. It should have came with six, probably 2 already installed. If you need more they are pretty cheap and good to have spares since they are like5-thousanths of an inch thick and are easy to loose.

Also, input pressure is a factor, although not as much with the ULT. Make sure you have a high pressure tank and not a LP one. You should be putting 700psi MINIMUM into the gun. (but dont get confused... that's just the input pressure. The gun operated below 400 psi... however the higher the input pressure the faster the trigger will return)

Just remember. More shims = a shorter on/off pin and a shorter on/off pin = faster bps
(If you go too short the gun will run away, so if it does just remove a shim or two)

Oh, and btw.. the lvl 10 should have minimum to do with cycle speed. Using the smaller spring wont hurt it, messing with the set up will not have a noticable effect until the tank drops really low.

If you need any help hit my up on AIM later this evening and I'll see what I can do.

[automikey]

the whole speed thing evades me. if ya need to shoot umpteen balls a second to be able to tag someone, take up bowling or something chuckle

just kiddin around...kind of =p

just seems like these days all it is, is spray and pray ftw.

Yeah, but the X-valve can shoot like 26 bps- There's no way I could miss someone 26 times in one second with my Phantom.

[automikey]

how about this from a mag owner, i have a hyperframe on my mag and it still isnt that fast. So take my advice sell the tac and get an ion or an a5 w/ an e grip.

If you want to trade, I have a decked out, upgraded A5, polished internals, etc. With E-grip and lots of cool accesories. Just PM me. A real machine gun.

[ottomobile]

Don't trade, especially for a smart parts gun. Thats just a sin...

First lets establish your setup. You have an X-valve with level 10 and ULT? (The level 10 is standard on an X-valve but the ULT is an option)
What happens exactly, when you try and shoot fast?

You DO need a high pressure tank. The automag was designed to operate with input pressures between 800-900 psi optimal. Remember it has an integrated regulator so don't worry about overpressurizing it.

The first thing you need to do is to tune your lvl 10. Most online mag retailers don't tune the marker before selling it to you. How you tune your level 10 will effect how well your marker shoots. If you don't set it up right you'll get a plopping or coughing sound when you try and shoot fast. Most mag tinkerers like to use the longest spring but pull out your level 10 instructions and follow every step and you should be able to tune it without too much trouble.

The ULT has nothing to do with how fast your marker will shoot. It has everything to do with how heavy the trigger is and how reactive it is. A standard X-valve has a reactive trigger (essentially like the response trigger on a Tippmann) the feedback allows you to bounce the trigger to achieve high rates of fire. The amount of reactivity is controlled by the input pressure. Increase the pressure, increase the bounce, but the trigger is still heavy by today's standards. The ULT dramatically reduces the amount weight of the trigger pull and pretty much eliminates the valve's reactivity.
The ULT also needs to be tuned, but should be tuned after the level 10. Once you brake the marker in you should never have to mess with these things again. Follow both sets of instructions carefully. If you are still having problems with it call AGD tech support. They are very helpful and patient people and will get your mag working.

Your other option is to skip all these steps and have a AGD tech tune it for you.
AGD and Tunaman are good places to have that done.

Hope this helps...

[luke]

Is the gun just not shooting or is it just not fast enough?

I do trigger jobs that are very afforable.

[sumorai]

Here's some good instructions for adjusting your level 10. Bear in mind, all you're really adjusting on the level 10 is how tight the o-ring is around the bolt piston (whether it leaks or not, basically) and how far the bolt travels before it starts to vent (more shims = takes longer to get to vent point).

http://www.airgun.com/xmag/html/lvl10.html

Also, the ULT drops the trigger pull to 15 ounces. Most electro-pneumatic triggers these days are 50 grams . The ULT is about 425 grams. Heh.

[chrisbchips]

wow what a out poor of help

i have a 3000 psi 47in high presure tank on my gun.I can't get it to shoot more then one at a time. like in the videos when they just pull the trigger so slightly it goes crazy, mine sticks some times even when i change the carrier it will shoot then stick. I stuff six shims in the utl, six is the max,wont fit if i put anymore in. my tank is a catauna cylinder aluminum, says high presure tank on the bottle?

[TAC-ELF]

i have a 3000 psi 47in high presure tank on my gun.I can't get it to shoot more then one at a time. like in the videos when they just pull the trigger so slightly it goes crazy, mine sticks some times even when i change the carrier it will shoot then stick. I stuff six shims in the utl, six is the max,wont fit if i put anymore in. my tank is a catauna cylinder aluminum, says high presure tank on the bottle?

Fear not, you aren't really doing anything wrong (I have a Tac-One as well). First the ULE trigger removes alot of the reactivity of the trigger -- it's the price you pay for a lighter trigger pull.

Second, any reactivity comes from the pressure of the air coming into the gun. It's just how these guns were designed. As you have a fixed output pressure tank, you really don't have much recourse.

Finally: Work on your triggering technique by simply practicing -- alot. I, myself, have managed 10 bps from time to time over the chrono (and I'm pulling the trigger for every shot). I only usually get 6 - 7bps while I'm actually playing though. The more you work on your technique, the better a semi-shooter you'll become.

[tipp-ed off]

Chris, you should of called me! Anyways. My guess is it might be your HP tank. Even though it says "High Pressure" it could be putting out alot less. You need a good 800psi + to get your ROF up. Get a guage for your ASA if you don't believe me. The reason my gun ripps so fast, besides my modified on/off pin & my shimmed up ULT & my trigger stops, is the 1000psi I have pumping into it.
PM me later!

[Cow hunter]

standard mags are set to 800 psi and anything above that should be fast zakvetter.com