Wire vs Plastic Nubbin

[ROYALKNIGHT]

Disgruntled

Does it matter which one I use? Do the wire nubbins ever cause paint to break more than the plastic ones?

Hey man you know what! i used the wire nubin that came with my 68 classic and i can tell you for sure that i had four breaks with it, then switched to plastic nubin and so far have gone through case and a half with no breaks, so you tell me whats better.... also i was wondering if enyone could tell me what the stars on the side of my valve body on my 68 classic mean because i have three of them.

[wolfspawn]

you can send it to AGD 3 times for repair or tuning. They will rub out 1 star each time when your out of stars you gotta start paying thats all...

[ROYALKNIGHT]

disgruntled

you can send it to AGD 3 times for repair or tuning. They will rub out 1 star each time when your out of stars you gotta start paying thats all...

sorry i onley have one star as a matter of fact, so i guess i can only send it in once if need be. thanks for the tip Wolfspawn hopefuly though i wont need to send it in , but will need a new barrel for left side powerfeed.

[Phantom_Mag]

Haha,

plastic nubin and so far have gone through case and a half with no breaks, so you tell me whats better.... also i was wondering if enyone could tell me what the stars on the side of my valve body on my 68 classic mean because i have three of them.

Sorry after making a comment like that and hearing you didnt know what the stars meant kind of loses your credability.

What the heck do you mean by better performance? With plastic nubbins, you don't double feed, you don't slice balls... There's nothing more to consider... Wire nubbins aren't going to make you shoot faster or farther or anything...

Hey, i was just stating i have had nothing but good work with my wire nubbins. Im sorry i wasnt aware that i didnt have the right to my opinion. You're correct platic is much better.

[hardr0ck68]

well the reason i no longer use wire nubbens is once they start bending and getting weird the chances of one bendins over into the bore of your barrel grow. I have had 3 barrels where the alum or brass was all screwed up by a nubbin bending over and the bolt driving it into the barrel. Now you may or may not ever have this problem, but for me where it seemed chronic i decided it was well worth time to start replacing cheap nubbins over much more expensice barrels. BTW the P style nubbins were the worst "benders." Use what you like, just dont trash mags when you silly paper clips trash your barrel.

[Phantom_Mag]

Use what you like, just dont trash mags when you silly paper clips trash your barrel.

Sorry had to laugh, yeah mags are no good thats why I only own five. I mean the other 100 ive owned were just a faze??? I guess i looked back and i was wondering where i bashed mags. This is my last post, you've mad me have to agruee my opinion, a fight on ao about nubbins and your putting words in my mouth. Where the hell AO is going, we need help.

[BlackVCG]

The plastic ones are the way to go as long as they fit your barrel. There are some, but not many, barrels out there that don't have the zig-zag groove in the barrel to fit the shape of the plastic nubbin. Also, most of the sucky barrel manufacturers didn't make the groove to print and the plastic nubbins won't fit well.

You need to check the protrusion into the barrel with the plastic nubbins before you use them. Put one in a stock AGD barrel and look at how far it protrudes and then compare it to your aftermarket barrel. If it's about the same, you're good to go. If it's not as deep, then you might have some issues.

As far as the wire nubbins go, the V-nubbins were okay, but they sucked because they had a small surface area for wear and they would eventually wear through at the tip, break at the tip and then the bolt would roll over the forward section of the nubbin and if you had an aluminum barrel, it would usually put a good divot in the bore.

Then AGD came out with the P-nubbins which had more surface area for wear, but they weren't contained on the back side and they would roll over in the barrel. This problem was accelerated when AGD came out with the "long-nose" bolt to reduce blow-back and those bolts never quite had the radius on the tip of the bolt like the old "short-nose" bolts. That sharp corner on the tip of the bolt would grab the nubbin and roll it over.

If my server space wasn't still down and I had access to my tech photos I'd post some to show you guys the differences. Talking about the "long-nose" bolt feels like such a long time ago...

[hardr0ck68]

Sorry had to laugh, yeah mags are no good thats why I only own five. I mean the other 100 ive owned were just a faze??? I guess i looked back and i was wondering where i bashed mags. This is my last post, you've mad me have to agruee my opinion, a fight on ao about nubbins and your putting words in my mouth. Where the hell AO is going, we need help.

WHOOOOO there Skippy; Im glad you are a mag fan and you dont rag on a gun even when it chews up barrels. Thats great (personally i was upset, until it was explained to me).


What i said was a general statement and not directed at you personally. The fact that you bend oyur own nubbins out of paper clips and paperclips is what i tend to call the antique nubbins was a couincidence.

AO is fine and well, just so long as folks stop trying to find threads and posts to cry about.

To everyone who likes wire nubbins; if you like them use them just understand they are yesterdays tech, AGD has long been about innovation, duribility and performance; and when it comes down to it the plastic nubbins are just better. The End.

[criticalw88]

I double feed a couple times a day using Freak SS and J&J SS barrels. The problem seems eliminated using a wire nubbin on the J&J. Havent tried a wire nubbin on the Freak yet. Does anyone have advice on "adjusting" a plastic nubbin?

[Hobbez]

To everyone who likes wire nubbins; if you like them use them just understand they are yesterdays tech, AGD has long been about innovation, duribility and performance; and when it comes down to it the plastic nubbins are just better. The End.

I happen to disagree with this. I'd be willing to bet a donut that wire nubbins werent replaced because plastic was better. It was done because plastic is cheaper and more convienent. Just because its newer doesnt mean its better. Just look at cars. Manufacterers replace metal with plastic cause its cheaper and easier, no matter that having an accident means you likely die. Not to mention that the car is almost always totaled so you have to buy another one.

The average plastic nubbin will NOT hold a paintball in the breach once you get down to .683 or so. Even with brand new plastic nubbins, paint that small will roll right out the end of the barrel or, at best, double feed. I've tried tape, heating and bending, putting a drop of glue on the triangle and more, and none of these have worked. I make my own wire nubbins out of piano wire now and they work great. Piano wire retains its flexablility better than standard wire and last a long, long time.

Wire nubbins breaking paint is an issue I've never experienced. Its never happened to me so, I can't comment on that. With the ever shrinking paint that is invading my area, plastic nubbins just don't work. period. Of course, a cocker barrel adapter ends the whole argument.

[criticalw88]

Hobbez, your comment makes sense as I am having problems with 0.684 paint. Did you match your music wire thickness to the origianl nubbin? I will probably source whatever wire from McMaster Carr.