Automags in sup air?

[7Infamous7]

Right, ive got a pro classic, and i want to start sup air.

Will a automag with a inteliframe and ULE trigger kit be able to keep up with auto cockers ions etc?

im not expecting itt o be firing like 15 bps but will it be able to fire something like 10-13?

cheers

Ben

[Asym]

If you can pull 10-13 without shortstroking then yes it will, the classic will recharge easily without shootdown to 15+. ULTs in a classic are extreemly easy to short stroke because its such a light pull since it was designed for the RT valves and higher pressure at the on/off pin. If you do install the ULT into the classic you might want to search for the trigger mod where you move where the trigger rod connects to the sear. The mod shortens the pull and increases the trigger pull.

When I installed the ULT into my classic the only frame I has was a benchmark which increases the length of the trigger pull. With both a super long pull and light pull I shortstroked all the time when I tried to shoot fast.

[Coralis]

Iinstead of a ult kit you might consider a RT on/off with a .750 pin it will lighten the pull some but you probably wont short stroke as much as you would with a ult. Only downside of this is having to have a RT parts kit as well as AM/MM parts kit

[7Infamous7]

kk cheers, have any of you guys tried the ANS mag phase II air valve? as lining up the two halves is annoying and takes several attempts.

cheers for help guys

Ben

[Eric Cartman]

kk cheers, have any of you guys tried the ANS mag phase II air valve? as lining up the two halves is annoying and takes several attempts.

cheers for help guys

Ben

I have. No difference in performance from the stock parts. Waste of money I'm afraid.

[SpitFire1299]

I have. No difference in performance from the stock parts. Waste of money I'm afraid.

yeah, no difference at all. If you get the shocktech one, you will however have a lighter gun, since the shocktech ones are aluminum.

If your going to get anything, get an xvalve with ULT.

Mags are great in sup-air.. i love it.

[Coralis]

I got to thinking about this more.If you are going to be going up against alot of other mech guns you shouldnt have a problem keeping up but if you are going up against alot of electros even the sub $300 ones your probably going to find yourself on the losing end of the ROF battle. Upgrades that you might consider to up your rate of fire: Xvalve and learning how to sweet spot the trigger , electric frame for the mag, pnuematic frame for mag, if you could find one (and i doubt you cant as they havent been made for years now) response trigger for an automag (they doubled your rate of fire because they cause the mag to shoot when you pulled the trigger and then again when you released the trigger) or buy yourself a electro.


Personally i dont think i could get above 7bps with my mag set up like what your are considering, but Im pretty slow on the trigger

Just my 2 cents

[wolfspawn]

most places wont let you compete with a reactive trigger. 1 pull 1 shot is the rule...
you need to go 1 of 2 ways...
1: upgrade for accuracy and just really learn snapping or...
2: get a spidermag frame for your mag then your equal to mid level electros...

I am going both ways myself..

[siloseven]

there is that one sear mod that changes the angle of the rod and supposedly is easier to pull and give you a higher bps. I forget where to get it though. and with that it might be possable to put a spring over the rod between the inner wall of the grip frame and the sear to "assist" in pulling the trigger. and having trigger stops might help.

[onedude36]

hyperframe. get one.

[Dawg047]

You shouldn't have a problem going up against the big boys in sup' air ball. I play Xball all the time with my classic and I'm taking timmy's and things out just because the accuracy of my mag is dead on. WOOT WOOT

[wolfspawn]

this is true, my team used a pair of classics with single triggers at that and used them for back players.
We didn`t have the fire rate of the angels and timmies but it only takes 3-4 shots with in inches of thier heads to shovem back behind thier bunkers.

you do got to change how you play though. fire of the break is a waiste of time just get to your bunker and then start snapping...

[Zentish]

So true

Last weekend I took my 14year old classic 'mag to the local indoor sup air range and got a few funny looks from folks: me in my camo and dinosaur mech' against them in their fancy jerseys, with their sexy angels and timmy's.

I played on a pro-am woods-ball team back in the early 90's when 'mags and 'cocker were supreme. I took 6 years off and now just play rec ball 3-4 times a year. I'd playd some 'sup air against mech's before, but not much against electros.

First game out it was 2 on 2, everyone but me with e-guns, and the kid they paired me with was like, "aw man!" I could see in his eyes he didn't want to play with a dino. I played it up and asked him how indoor worked as it was my first time and all. We lost that game. For the next two games more folks joined so we had 4 on 4, and both games came down to me as the last player against the other team's last player and each time I goggled them (and their pretty 'timmy) out.

The rest of the session went pretty well. You definately have to play a different game than the e-gunners do. I find that the fast guns can make some players lazy, they use ropes of paint instead of aiming, shoot continuously so everyone knows where they are, and don't move very much.

During break out I don't bother trying to close a lane, I just take a few shots on the run to my bunker.

Snap shots can be very effective. I found that I can pop out one side of the bunker and take 3 quick shots and then get back under cover before the reign of balls converge on my bunker, where I wait a moment, then just pick a different angle or side of my bunker to work from. Because I've been shooting my mag for 14 years, snap shots generally come very close to where I need them to.

I kept getting angles on the enemy because they'd lose track of me. I didn't bother trying to outshoot the e-guns, I'd wait until the enemy was all busy shooting at other players then work up to the 50 yard line, sometimes even past there. At that point my automag really doesn't miss, even 6 bps can still be very convincing to the other team when you've got a full flank 20 feet away.

I had a blast. I know that against more experienced e-gun players these tactics may become less effective, but you can at least hold your own and get some respect.

The guys with the timmy's stopped snickering at me after a three or four games and even came over to see what I was shooting.

I LOVE MY MAG.

[yellowpumpguy]

Right, ive got a pro classic, and i want to start sup air.

Will a automag with a inteliframe and ULE trigger kit be able to keep up with auto cockers ions etc?

im not expecting itt o be firing like 15 bps but will it be able to fire something like 10-13?

cheers

Ben

A ULT'd Intelliframe can easily keep up with the typical "speedball gun". My dad's ULT'd RT Pro is shooting at 14 wich is more than enough to compete. Speed is overrated anyway, it only takes one shot.

[scrumpy]

A ULT'd Intelliframe can easily keep up with the typical "speedball gun". My dad's ULT'd RT Pro is shooting at 14 wich is more than enough to compete. Speed is overrated anyway, it only takes one shot.

You have overlooked that he is shooting a classic valve which will be hard to use with a ULT without short stroking.