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  • Butterfingers
    PhD in Automagology
    • Jan 2001
    • 2263

    #1

    Tom! Eureka!

    It has been a known fact that a higher pressure flows faster and thus provides greater expanding force than lower pressures. Greater expanding force equates to higher g's.

    Higher pressure paintguns often produce very high inital rates of acceleration then taper off as it reaches the end of the barrel. (ie) 600gs over 4 inches to produce the desired velocity.

    Lower pressure guns on the other hand produce lower rates of initial acceleration but produce it over a longer period of time, a longer power pulse so to say, to produce the desired velocity. The degree of acceleration is smaller but it is lonnger and may not taper off until it reaches the end of the barrel. This exposes paint to less g's and is gentler on paint. (ie) 300gs over 8 inches of barrel to produce the desired velocity.

    So... In effect to make a gentle gun we do not necesarily have to lower the chamber pressure. Just lengthen the pulse. Pressure is the inverse of volume and as the ball leaves the barrel the volume increases decreasing the pressure.

    I theorize that behind the ball pressures can be significantly reduced by redesigning the powertube tip to release air gradually instead of suddenly. This will in effect limit the G forces to a "gentler" level.

    This will lengthen the acceleration pulse reducing the g forces that may break brittle paint.

    This could be easily done and easily retrofitted to existing mags. Perhaps redesigning the powetube tip to use a deeper but mildly contoured "cone" would release the air in a longer softer power pulse. The bolt can be made to "dwell" in the barrel longer by using a lower k value return spring.

    This will in effect mimick the low pressure power pulse you are looking for.

    If I am unclear please ask me...

    Surprising what things pop into my mind after a long day of work... :)
    Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags
  • a_malfunction
    Damnit! It Malfunctioned!
    • Feb 2001
    • 1779

    #2
    I think that they have already done this..... I think i remember once that AGD re-designed the powertube tip to to exactly what you are saying.... However, I could be wrong.
    -Gig 'Em Ags!

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    • Butterfingers
      PhD in Automagology
      • Jan 2001
      • 2263

      #3
      Just throwing ideas out there, I wonder what effect having a reverse parobolic PT tip would have on the mag. Release small amounts of air when the ball is close to the breach then when it moves further out it dumps the rest of the chamber.
      Did you hear about the new european weapons contracts? France is going to make the wooden sticks Spain making the little white flags

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      • Miscue
        Super Moderator

        • Oct 2000
        • 7105

        #4
        Yeap... dwell time. Changing PT Tip adjusts it... but not user adjustable. Actually, funny you mention this... it's one of the things they are looking at very closely at the moment. Updates to the Extreme will be based off of what they've found... gonna be better than current Mags...

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        • BlackVCG
          Grubby Owner

          • Oct 2000
          • 4956

          #5
          Not going to throw data out, but the pressure in the Mag is approximately released over a duration three times longer than the Angel and Impulse. The current PT tip with the taper is designed to increase the pulse time. The problem with a longer pulse is that you get more blow back. Dumping the chamber at the very END of the stroke sends all that air down the barrel and you have very minimal blowback.

          You have the idea down and it's what went behind the change to the tapered PT tip, but it's not the factor that is causing paint breakage. Right now the gun is at a point that it's on the same level as guns like the Matrix, Impulse and Angel in terms of ball breakage.
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          • Paintballer86
            Proud E-Mag User
            • May 2001
            • 1000

            #6
            yes.... I know exactley what you are talking about......

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            • ah137
              Registered User
              • Nov 2000
              • 569

              #7
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