Mag or Cocker

[mastershake44]

The only reason im asking is all the automag vs. autococker articles I read are old. Should I go with a System X Type X or a Pro/Classic Automag. Both are $200 (Pros/Cons would be nice)

[P the Eliminator]

The only reason im asking is all the automag vs. autococker articles I read are old. Should I go with a System X Type X or a Pro/Classic Automag. Both are $200 (Pros/Cons would be nice)

I don't have much experience with the newer cockers, but the ones I have played with in the past always seemed to short stroke very easily, which ment chopping balls. Granted my mag did the same, but it was alot harder to do. I personally like the feel of the mag a bit more then a cocker. Just my opinion though. I would reccomend firing both to see which one feels better for you.

I forgot, but it seems you can get the level 10 upgrade for the mag pro classic. It seems like that eliminates chop... I don't know if you want to spend that extra money though.

[whistl3r]

unless you go all out on a mag (rt ule, emag, paradigm) i wouldn't suggest getting one. i was sort of dissappointed in mags until i put a little money into mine.. then it became the best marker ever

i am not sure if the cocker would be better than a pro classic, though.. i dont know much about cockers.. but definetly try out both at a field sometime and see what you like better

[geekwarrior]

you can get a great mag on ebay for 200$..i got the whole setup, tank, with level 10...i haven't shot cockers, but i looovvveee my mag...so much i bought another ....depends on what type of pb your playing too...now lets see how long before a flame war starts.....

[cort422001]

I have a uped mag and a E2 cocker, I use the cocker for tourneys and the mag is my back up. Through my experince; the mag requires much less maintence, but kicks more.The cocker is more acuret, but having to deal with proper timing can be a bit tedious. I personaly like the feel of the autococker more. It seems to be a bit smoother. However; It is a bit easy to shortstroke and cause a chop. The cocker has more upgrade options. Overall, take the cocker if you like to build a nice gun and don't mind some regular maintence. But if you'd rather have a gun thats never going to break and is ready to go out of the box, take the mag.

[PumpPlayer]

This needs to be nipped in the bud.

I'm assuming your budget is close to $200 for whatever setup you would get, not counting the air source, hopper or aftermarket barrels. I'm not a fan of the System X's (poor quality, IMO) and recommend the classic 'mag of those two choices. For the budget, you'll get some very nice upgrades (probably including level 10) on that 'mag. You CAN find better autocockers if you're patient and know where to look. For example, I picked up a CCM J2 for $225. I *heart* eBay!


General 'mag vs. 'cocker crap:
*Accuracy is the SAME! Chill with the open bolt/closed bolt thing already. You put a good barrel on either marker and use good paint, they'll both be equally as accurate.
*On both, the speed is limited to how fast you can pull the trigger anyhow. Both mags and cockers can cycle faster than you can pull the trigger. (the classic mag perhaps not)
*cockers, with a good reg, are a little more forgiving of CO2.
*mags are generally smaller
*cockers have a wider selection of aftermarket parts/"upgrades"
*most people find mags easier to take care of (most gun techs don't seem to remember how to fix a mag, though)
*cockers have a common barrel threading which can be switched between a large number of other markers (applies equally to cocker-threaded 'mag bodies)
*cockers can be more readily made into pumps (if you care to do that sort of thing - I do)
*both markers have a very depressed market right now and can be purchased used for very cheap if you're patient


In the end, it's going to come down to one thing, though - your preference. Some people like how mags feel and shoot. Some people like cockers. Personally, I like both, own both and would willingly shoot both (though I'd usually rather use a pump - side note: ZOMG are pump-mags awesome!)


My advice is to do your research on PB review and other websites (instead of asking 'cocker vs. mag', ask 'what's a good cocker?' or 'what are good mag upgrades?'). Once you know exactly what you want, hover eBay like a hawk until you see it. If you're patient, you'll be able to get quite a setup for around $200.

[P the Eliminator]

This needs to be nipped in the bud.

I'm assuming your budget is close to $200 for whatever setup you would get, not counting the air source, hopper or aftermarket barrels. I'm not a fan of the System X's (poor quality, IMO) and recommend the classic 'mag of those two choices. For the budget, you'll get some very nice upgrades (probably including level 10) on that 'mag. You CAN find better autocockers if you're patient and know where to look. For example, I picked up a CCM J2 for $225. I *heart* eBay!


General 'mag vs. 'cocker crap:
*Accuracy is the SAME! Chill with the open bolt/closed bolt thing already. You put a good barrel on either marker and use good paint, they'll both be equally as accurate.
*On both, the speed is limited to how fast you can pull the trigger anyhow. Both mags and cockers can cycle faster than you can pull the trigger. (the classic mag perhaps not)
*cockers, with a good reg, are a little more forgiving of CO2.
*mags are generally smaller
*cockers have a wider selection of aftermarket parts/"upgrades"
*most people find mags easier to take care of (most gun techs don't seem to remember how to fix a mag, though)
*cockers have a common barrel threading which can be switched between a large number of other markers (applies equally to cocker-threaded 'mag bodies)
*cockers can be more readily made into pumps (if you care to do that sort of thing - I do)
*both markers have a very depressed market right now and can be purchased used for very cheap if you're patient



In the end, it's going to come down to one thing, though - your preference. Some people like how mags feel and shoot. Some people like cockers. Personally, I like both, own both and would willingly shoot both (though I'd usually rather use a pump - side note: ZOMG are pump-mags awesome!)


My advice is to do your research on PB review and other websites (instead of asking 'cocker vs. mag', ask 'what's a good cocker?' or 'what are good mag upgrades?'). Once you know exactly what you want, hover eBay like a hawk until you see it. If you're patient, you'll be able to get quite a setup for around $200.

Well put.

Speaking of good deals!

Ebay!

[jtcass]

go with a mag. i bought a loaded one off of ebay for less than $200. the accuracy is great. i've never chopped a ball with the lvl 10. cleaning and fixing is easy. the only problem is that the parts are becoming harder to come by and barely anyone sells barrels. i've shot cockers before, and each one i fired sounded like it was on the verge of breaking. you cant beat the reliability of a classic mag.

[Yogster]

Hey Bro

I've had a System x (Sissy X) and a mag, still have the mag.System X has great customer service but thats about it.Very low end parts on their markers.If you were to go autococker spend the money and buy a Bud Orr Autococker.

But your in the wrong forum to be asking about which is better, you know what the answer is going to be.Well from me anyways MAG always.

Yogster

[UTDragun]

This needs to be nipped in the bud.

I'm assuming your budget is close to $200 for whatever setup you would get, not counting the air source, hopper or aftermarket barrels. I'm not a fan of the System X's (poor quality, IMO) and recommend the classic 'mag of those two choices. For the budget, you'll get some very nice upgrades (probably including level 10) on that 'mag. You CAN find better autocockers if you're patient and know where to look. For example, I picked up a CCM J2 for $225. I *heart* eBay!


General 'mag vs. 'cocker crap:
*Accuracy is the SAME! Chill with the open bolt/closed bolt thing already. You put a good barrel on either marker and use good paint, they'll both be equally as accurate.
*On both, the speed is limited to how fast you can pull the trigger anyhow. Both mags and cockers can cycle faster than you can pull the trigger. (the classic mag perhaps not)
*cockers, with a good reg, are a little more forgiving of CO2.
*mags are generally smaller
*cockers have a wider selection of aftermarket parts/"upgrades"
*most people find mags easier to take care of (most gun techs don't seem to remember how to fix a mag, though)
*cockers have a common barrel threading which can be switched between a large number of other markers (applies equally to cocker-threaded 'mag bodies)
*cockers can be more readily made into pumps (if you care to do that sort of thing - I do)
*both markers have a very depressed market right now and can be purchased used for very cheap if you're patient


In the end, it's going to come down to one thing, though - your preference. Some people like how mags feel and shoot. Some people like cockers. Personally, I like both, own both and would willingly shoot both (though I'd usually rather use a pump - side note: ZOMG are pump-mags awesome!)


My advice is to do your research on PB review and other websites (instead of asking 'cocker vs. mag', ask 'what's a good cocker?' or 'what are good mag upgrades?'). Once you know exactly what you want, hover eBay like a hawk until you see it. If you're patient, you'll be able to get quite a setup for around $200.

Good Post

IMO buy a wgp prostock, used 05's go for around 200, they are possibly the best cheap mechanical marker. IF you find a mag with an xvalve, ule body, and ult for 200, that would just as good, but dont settle for anything less on a mag.

[jamesmbaldwin]

another thing to remember, even the newer cockers are heavy and not as well balanced as a mag. I started using a cocker because I had it timed to perfection, but quickly switched back to my mag because of the balance alone. I work on computers and do alot of programming, and my wrists can't take the weight of the cocker, all the weight is put on your one wrist, and although this may not be a problem for some I can't enjoy the game in that pain. This is a classic mag vs a newer milled cocker also.

[benzy2]

I picked up a mech cocker with about $800 put into it for $150 used. Only thing stock was the 2k2 vert body which I like. It was decked out and has quality parts. On the other hand I just picked up a lvl10/rt valved/minimag bodied mag with a CF frame for about $140. I eventually want to get a intelli for it and pneumag it but for now its still great. You can get better versions of either a mag or a cocker for the money you are asking if you look around a few days for good deals and dont mind buying used. Honestly it took me about a week from deciding I was willing to buy a cocker until I found a good deal on a loaded one. The mag happened even shorter. I found everything but the frame and rail in one shot for 100 bucks even before I knew I was ready to pay for a mag. If you look here and on pbnation Im sure you can hit up a great deal within a week or two and have a much better gun than the ones you are looking at right now.

As for which shoots better or which to get I know what I feel. I love the reflex frame on my cocker but Ill be damned if I have gone a single days worth of play without it having something go wrong. Most of the time they are my fault but still. Dont get me wrong, I love tinkering with a gun but when it comes to game time I want everything to work and work perfectly. The cocker hasnt given me that. Still if i had the choice of selling either of them back for the money I paid or close to it I wouldnt do it. I dont think you will be disapointed in either as long as you find a good deal.