Automag v. Autococker

[syl58]

i play woodsball and have both. they are simlar in performace, but i prefer the mag because there is less that can go wrong. Go with the mag, but the cocker is going to be cheaper

[ThePixelGuru]

When I play woodsball, I like to use my cocker because it has a flatter trejectory allowing it to shoot further is some scenarios where there is brush. My mag tends to "lob" balls which is adventageous for indoor play or speedball games where the extra range isn't necessary. It all comes down closed bolt accuracy. Bud Orr even states they are "the most accurate markers in the world".

Oh man, please don't bring this **** up again. Any marker will have the same trajectory as any other provided they're at the same velocity and you're not using an Apex/Flatline/Z-Body/whatever. It's simple physics. Also, closed bolt isn't more accurate (WARPIG proved it), and of course Bud Orr says they're the most accurate in the world. What company/manufacturer/rep doesn't?

Also, kornbread, keep in mind you're asking the 'cocker vs. 'mag question on Automags.org. You'll probably get totally opposite answers if you ask over on Air-Powered.com. It's personal preference. Basically, if you like tinkering, get a 'cocker, if you want to be able to beat up someone's car with your marker, get a 'mag.

[PnueMagger]

How do you figure PixelGuru? The Closed bolt design is the whole concept behind the acuracy/efficiency of a paintball gun. Even the new shockers have the new SFT "seal forward technology" AKA (closed bolt).

[Surestick]

The Closed bolt design is the whole concept behind the acuracy/efficiency of a paintball gun.

Consistency, good paint (round) and paint to barrel match are what gives you accuraccy.
None of those have anything to do with closed vs open bolt.

[Stealth Fighter]

Well automags shoot flatter because they blow forward, autocockers just blow.

[ThePixelGuru]

How do you figure PixelGuru? The Closed bolt design is the whole concept behind the acuracy/efficiency of a paintball gun. Even the new shockers have the new SFT "seal forward technology" AKA (closed bolt).

And the whole concept of rifled barrels is to spin the paintball, creating a vortex behind it and keeping the paintball going straight. That doesn't mean it works.

EDIT: And I doubt any marker company or rep would claim their particular bolt system gets more range. Unless they're Smart Parts. Or Jack Wood. Probably some others, too. In these cases, physics is wrong.

[ThePixelGuru]

Found the WARIPIG thing. Link.

By testing under controlled circumstances we were able to isolate the subject of our test (the bolt operation) from the other variables involved. Firing our marker as an open bolt, blowback operated semi-automatic, we found the same level of accuracy, as when firing as a manually operated closed bolt marker. Our conclusion - the great "inherent accuracy" of closed bolt markers over open bolt markers is a myth.

[FinchMan]

and the shocker SFT is just a marketing ploy. The "seal forward" in a shocker is just like any other open bolt gun. the bolt is still in motion when the air is released. The "great accuracy" of closed bolt guns would come from the ball being perfectly still in the breach when the air is released.

[RapidTransit]

So if the ball is moving its gonna change its tragectory when pressure is applied

Cockers are said to be more accurate because of my previous statement that Cockers are a semi auto pump. They based this philosophy on the wrong fact of why pump guns are more accurate.

Drop a ball in a funnel which way is it gonna go at the end?

[Dark Frost17]

I started off with a mag in woodsball and use it for everything.....but started to build a cocker jsut to see what they are like.....2 Different Worlds of working!!!

[Coralis]

One major thing you can say that a mag has over a cocker is that someone with little or no airsmithing experiencing can strip down a mag and replace all the oring and reassemble the mag in less than a half hour and this will fix 90 percent of the problems a mag will have ..... (well a classic valved mag anyway)

[Recon by Fire]

Just get the Tac One! It is better all around than any mech autococker. More durable, more reliable, faster, and better looking. Make sure you get the ULT and an adjustable HPA tank if possible.

On the other hand, get the autococker if you plan on using CO2.


Ever time an automag?

[kornbread]

Also, kornbread, keep in mind you're asking the 'cocker vs. 'mag question on Automags.org. You'll probably get totally opposite answers if you ask over on Air-Powered.com.

I have actually tried a couple of times to post on air-powered.com and apparently I don't have the necessary permissions. It actually made me fill a bit silly, since I'm an IT major, that I coudn't figure out how to post there. I probably need to talk with a mod.....

Thanks for bringing up the good point.

[peteralexander78]

I have bought 4 mags. I have had a classic and an X valve. The best thing about a mag is the level 10. I live in washington state. It rains a lot here. I played one day with my friends that have angels, timmys, shockers, cockers. All of them are having problems because of the rain. Paint is breaking in their barrels and from the bolts. I was the only one that played the whole time with out any problems. I also have a friend that is always getting his cocker fixed. He has a revenge and it is very nice. Shoots around 180psi. He can get a lot more shots off his tank than I can. Well it would be nice if my mag was like that but I would rather have reliablity over more shots off a tank. I wouldnt trade my mag for a $1500 gun. No, I would. But then I would just sell it and buy a really nice mag!

[ThePixelGuru]

One major thing you can say that a mag has over a cocker is that someone with little or no airsmithing experiencing can strip down a mag and replace all the oring and reassemble the mag in less than a half hour and this will fix 90 percent of the problems a mag will have ..... (well a classic valved mag anyway)

I'd say 'cockers are just as easy, at least if you're pulling it apart completely. They're not tougher, just more spread out and it takes more tools. Anyone can learn pretty fast if someone just shows them what to do, and that's the only way people should learn to strip down markers anyway.