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  • flyingpootang
    Magtechian with X disease

    • Dec 2005
    • 2276

    #1

    20 bps classic valve

    Just to put it out there I used a bone stock L7 classic valve, well stock with the addition of a RT on/off .712 pin and a .225 power tube spacer. I got 20 bps without drop off with a Xmoded 1.7 emag frame set on full 20bps. To clairify I heard no drop off due to it was shooting so fast. I'm shure if you did a sound pulse test it would be more accurate on the differances of the pulse heights. I haven't tried it any faster, because I ran out of air. If anyone is in the process of building the next supermag on a budget , you might want to double think on keeping the old classic around......
  • the mag guy
    pwning noobs since '83
    • Jun 2006
    • 408

    #2
    no other mods to the valve? nice! I've put an RT on off in a classic before and liked the results.

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    • Pneumagger
      I like 'Mags.

      • Jun 2006
      • 3556

      #3
      I call shens. Also, the valve return is extremely light with the RT on off, how did the emag plunger return well?

      I have run a classic with an emag on off in it and co2 up to 14 cps in a pneumatic mag.

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      • Beemer
        I could tell you but then.

        • Oct 2003
        • 3250

        #4
        I call shens.
        No offense, but where ya been?

        20bps, Classic, Hyperframe. Vids from here.

        Paintball Talk is the main forum for Automags.org. Here is where we talk about the sport of paintball in general and make announcements relating to the forum and website.



        http://home.comcast.net/~beemerone/HitechHyper1.avi
        http://home.comcast.net/~beemerone/HitechHyper2.avi


        Originally posted by Hitech
        That is a stock minimag. The tank is a preset PMI 68/3K. It has a level 10 bolt with the short spring (the middle & long spring will not work). The on/off is the centerflag on/off with their "long" pin.
        This is the forum for trouble shooting your Airgun Designs products, including the Automag, RT, E-Mag, and WarpFeed. Also a great place to ask technical questions about non AGD products. An Airsmith's homeroom!


        This is the forum for trouble shooting your Airgun Designs products, including the Automag, RT, E-Mag, and WarpFeed. Also a great place to ask technical questions about non AGD products. An Airsmith's homeroom!

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        • flyingpootang
          Magtechian with X disease

          • Dec 2005
          • 2276

          #5
          Beemer: Yeah seen that, but it's hidden in there. I decided to make my own thread so it may get more attention..

          Pneumagger: The e plunger worked great. A little shorter than the RT, which gives you shorter/lighter trigger..

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          • pump
            Registered User
            • Jun 2003
            • 750

            #6
            what kind of rock have i been under?????

            WOW....i wonder if older mags can do the same

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            • flyingpootang
              Magtechian with X disease

              • Dec 2005
              • 2276

              #7
              Originally posted by pump
              what kind of rock have i been under?????

              WOW....i wonder if older mags can do the same
              They can with a e/spyder/hyper frame, software, and board

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              • pump
                Registered User
                • Jun 2003
                • 750

                #8
                excellent..i was thinking i might have to bore out my A.I.R. Valve to On-Off port, the On-Off to Dump Chamber, and deepen the groove around the Reg Seat, to get a faster ROF and Recharge.

                so if this mag is doing 20 bps....and doing it well, can it shoot faster??????

                i cant wait for my new pin to some in!!!!

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                • flyingpootang
                  Magtechian with X disease

                  • Dec 2005
                  • 2276

                  #9
                  Originally posted by pump
                  excellent..i was thinking i might have to bore out my A.I.R. Valve to On-Off port, the On-Off to Dump Chamber, and deepen the groove around the Reg Seat, to get a faster ROF and Recharge.

                  so if this mag is doing 20 bps....and doing it well, can it shoot faster??????

                  i cant wait for my new pin to some in!!!!
                  I'm shure it can and remember the valve is stock/non modified. I wish I could test it to a higher bps, but I sold my pumgmag to robbiesyoufriend. I don't think 25bps is out of the question, so if anyone has a classic laying around try it out....

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                  • pump
                    Registered User
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 750

                    #10
                    Originally posted by flyingpootang
                    I'm shure it can and remember the valve is stock/non modified.
                    yeah but older AIR valved mags have smaller ports than newer Classic valves

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                    • flyingpootang
                      Magtechian with X disease

                      • Dec 2005
                      • 2276

                      #11
                      If you are going to drill into the reg portion make shure you don't hit the threads..

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                      • pump
                        Registered User
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 750

                        #12
                        oh hell no....im gonna send it in if i can to someone

                        sorry for the thread jack this is off topic

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                        • flyingpootang
                          Magtechian with X disease

                          • Dec 2005
                          • 2276

                          #13
                          Not at all. All info on how to make it work is welcome

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                          • athomas
                            Of course it works-its AGD
                            • Jan 2002
                            • 8039

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pneumagger
                            I call shens. Also, the valve return is extremely light with the RT on off, how did the emag plunger return well?

                            I have run a classic with an emag on off in it and co2 up to 14 cps in a pneumatic mag.
                            I think it is quite possible. The emag on-off pin has enough top area to allow adequate return pressure for the solenoid. Also, the xmod allows us to reduce the dwell time to a smaller value which also increases the amount of time allowed for the valve to recharge.

                            I say good job.
                            Except for the Automag in front, its usually the man behind the equipment that counts.

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                            • Asym
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 209

                              #15
                              Originally posted by pump
                              excellent..i was thinking i might have to bore out my A.I.R. Valve to On-Off port, the On-Off to Dump Chamber, and deepen the groove around the Reg Seat, to get a faster ROF and Recharge.

                              so if this mag is doing 20 bps....and doing it well, can it shoot faster??????

                              i cant wait for my new pin to some in!!!!
                              You shouldn't need to do any of this. Theres been threads about how the classics recharge rate is affected by the input, meaning the reg will recharge faster with higher input pressures. There used to be custom shops that would do these services in the past but with no real proof it did anything. All internal ports in the AIR valve are still larger than the on/off oring.

                              I run a ULT which has an even smaller o-ring and theres no drop off at 16bps, no clue what my max BPS would be since I run an egg and don't trust it to go faster. I still shoot at 16bps when my tank has less than its normal output of 850PSI and theres no drop off, I shoot that speed all the way down to around 500PSI.

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