one thing you have to remember with a vertical set though is not to lay the gun down on the side while you are playing or you will get liquid in the valve and have frosting problems. Also another old school trick was to get a big bottle but only fill partially ( putting 12oz in a 16 oz tank that way you have larger gas volume at the top of the bottle but the best way to run CO2 is with a remote (in my opinion)
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For the money I would go HPA. If you are thinking of spending less and keeping things vertical then the big tank small fill is the way to go. This will help with the cold tank issue too since you will have less co2 boiling and more in a gas form (ie more surface area on the liquid in the tank and more tank surface area on the outside means a faster conversion and less concetrated area where the exchange is taking place).
Anyway do the math. HPA cheapy tank 50$ mount it any way you want and use it with your spyder and you save in 3 ways.
1. Less oring damage/ time to fix markers.
2. Fills should be cheaper (not so sure on this though)
3. Better consistency= greater accuracy = more hits for less paint
For a Co2 tank with an anti siphon you are looking at what 25-30$? for the price of a pizza you are into hpa. Even your spyder will be worlds better on it. Thats my 2 bits.
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I just switched to HPA and got an el cheapo Pure Energy 72/3000 aluminum tank from Action Village. The specs for it are here. While I see how carrying an extra 4 lbs. on the back of your marker could be cumbersome, you can always just grow stronger. It's a pretty good tradeoff; you save a bunch of money and have better performance from your marker while being able to play in sub-fifty-degree weather, but you have to deal with getting all big in the arms in the process.Originally posted by paintballfiendAnd another question, will a 72/3000 be too awkward and heavy to move around on the field. I don't really know how much they weigh or anything.
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I don't think there are many people out there that would stop to think, "well at least I'm building up my biceps" when their setup is terribly balanced and a complete pain to play with. I want to upgrade to hpa also and money is an issue. I don't think I would mind the actual weight of a 48/30 or 72/30 as much as the fact that it unbalances the crap out of your gun, making it uncomfortable and hard to aim/ hold/ run with.
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i have a 72/4500 with a 7" drop and it feel nice and not unbalances at all.Originally posted by scionI don't think there are many people out there that would stop to think, "well at least I'm building up my biceps" when their setup is terribly balanced and a complete pain to play with. I want to upgrade to hpa also and money is an issue. I don't think I would mind the actual weight of a 48/30 or 72/30 as much as the fact that it unbalances the crap out of your gun, making it uncomfortable and hard to aim/ hold/ run with.
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I doubt there are many people who would stop to think that as well, although I do. My right arm is still sore from the other day and I'm looking forward to when I'll have adapted to it.Originally posted by scionI don't think there are many people out there that would stop to think, "well at least I'm building up my biceps" when their setup is terribly balanced and a complete pain to play with. I want to upgrade to hpa also and money is an issue. I don't think I would mind the actual weight of a 48/30 or 72/30 as much as the fact that it unbalances the crap out of your gun, making it uncomfortable and hard to aim/ hold/ run with.
But it basically boils down to this:
The weight difference between an aluminum tank and a carbon fiber tank is roughly one or two pounds.
The price difference between an aluminum tank and a low-priced carbon fiber tank is roughly one hundred dollars.
Aiming/holding/running with a marker that has one or two pounds more in the back end is not outside the scope of human adaptation. I seriously doubt it would be "uncomfortable and hard to aim/ hold/ run with" for long unless you only play like once every couple of months and have very few opportunities to get used to it.
With money being the issue here, if the difference between getting HPA or not is learning to manuever a measly one or two pounds on the back end, I say take the pain.
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Originally posted by Chronobreakshould be fine, 9oz is gonna be like 300 shots
your gonna want atleast a 12, a 16 would be good but might add a tad too much weight.
i used a 20 oz on mine, but that setup didnt last long
I think you are wrong here. I have a 4oz tank fitted vert on my old Mag and get 300-350 balls from it.
This makes a wonderful 'pistol' setup...
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