Intelliframe OR Benchmark PRO.45

[nathanjones008]

intiiframe

get the intelliframe its made my arigun design period.

[ZEROte]

Not true. The warranty page4 hasnt been updated. My frames are made to AGD specs.

you forget that i used mags before you were around so if i ever forget about mentioning dont take it personally its just that i forget.

[ZEROte]

mmmmm beer does sound good right now

[kobeastly]

Which grip to get depends on what you prefer your gun to feel like. The benchmarks are mushy. The only time I would recommend the benchy over the intilli is when a person wants a single trigger. You can do some mods to help the benchy like modding the sear http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...=trigger+stops

I don't know about benchmark being made to AGD specs and/or whatnot but they are the only non AGD frame supported by AGD. A big part of this is because of the micromag put out by PTP (PTP, benchmark, armson are all closely related if not the same company). The micromags used benchmark frames and there was an arrangement between the companies and the micros fell under AGD warrenties.

changing the power tube spacer when changing grip frames...? I don't see this making much sence at all. The sear does touch the bolt and it also touches the grip frame but that doesn't really change anything as far as the bolt goes. The sear will still pivot at the same point since it held between the rail and body not the grip frame. Nothing from the frame rail up should be affected by the change.

[Swampy]

I know benchy's you got to change your frame screw. Its Shorter, As mushy wise are you saying like softer trigger pull. Cause I never got that with a old AGD frame (Not Carbon Fiber or Intelli). But I'm not going to fight it because this is what you feel comfy with. I got both a Benchy double and single trigger frame If you want to borrow to compare vs. a Intelli Then I'll loan it out to you for a week.

[ZEROte]

Which grip to get depends on what you prefer your gun to feel like. The benchmarks are mushy. The only time I would recommend the benchy over the intilli is when a person wants a single trigger. You can do some mods to help the benchy like modding the sear http://www.automags.org/forums/showt...=trigger+stops

I don't know about benchmark being made to AGD specs and/or whatnot but they are the only non AGD frame supported by AGD. A big part of this is because of the micromag put out by PTP (PTP, benchmark, armson are all closely related if not the same company). The micromags used benchmark frames and there was an arrangement between the companies and the micros fell under AGD warrenties.

changing the power tube spacer when changing grip frames...? I don't see this making much sence at all. The sear does touch the bolt and it also touches the grip frame but that doesn't really change anything as far as the bolt goes. The sear will still pivot at the same point since it held between the rail and body not the grip frame. Nothing from the frame rail up should be affected by the change.

the only way to get agd's approval was to make the frames to their specs. the only way to make the benchy to their specs was to make the frame a mushy frame. the micromag was allowed to be put out because again it was all made to agd specs. many companies did not want to take the time to make to spec.

[kobeastly]

What "specs" are we actually talking about? tollerances? types of metal? placements of screw holes? thickness of the pin holding the trigger on? pressure needed to turn on/off the safety? thread size for the screw holes that hold the grips to the grip frame?

It is easy to say it is or is not up to spec but which specs? We all know the trigger feels very different between the two frames because of where the trigger touches the pin on the sear in relation to the triggers pivot point and the side to side play is different between the two. I don't really see what they have in common that would fit into the catagory of "AGD specs."

I am not saying your wrong because I truthfully don't know but I am curious what specs are being talked about.

[ZEROte]

if i recall correctly, and its tough for me to remember cause i asked jon comprado about this almost four years ago, its the way the sear and the trigger interact that make the greatest difference. if you notice on the benchy there is a little lip on the top back side of the trigger. its that lip that makes all the world of difference in the frame being approved by agd. im sure if jay were to be asked he can elaborate more.

[kobeastly]

makes sence, After thinking more about it I think it may also be the position of the trigger in relation to the sear. If the trigger is too far back there is a chance of it not letting the sear travel as far as it needs to. It could keep the on/off from opening. Also I have seen multiple people with the logic frames that set their overtravel too short and it would cause the lip on the bolt to drag on the sear and cause bolt stick.

[MikeRosenthal]

The difference in trigger feel is the result of a different relationship between the trigger pin contact point and the trigger pivot point. Think about how a lever works. By moving the pivot point you change the amount of force needed to do the work, but you also change the distance that the force is applied over. In the case of the mag trigger the sear needs to move a fixed distance. By moving the contact point away from the trigger pivot you are decreasing the distance that the trigger tip needs to travel but are increasing the force needed to move it. The reverse is also true, by moving the contact point up closer to the pivot point you are decreaseing the force needed but increasing the trigger travel distance.

The same result can be achieved with a longer trigger. Like adding a double trigger shoe to a single trigger gun. The longer lever makes the trigger pull feel softer, but you have to pull it a longer distance (measured at the tip).

Who said geometry/physics was useless?

-MR

[Lenny]

I've owned both and actually liked both. The only thing I've never liked about the Bechmark's are the outrageously long trigger pull and the safety. They both work good and are pretty comfy.

...But if you want the greatest frame ever made, look for a UMF! I can't believe I used to play without one!