can u help me out

[kory cardona]

hi guys, im going to buy a automag dont know what kind yet but i want to know if they can operate good with using Co2. and what are the pros and cons of it. thanks

[Tac-OneFun]

yikes! can't use Co2!! i don't even think they work with CO2, and if they do, it isnt very good. Certainly not good enough to warrant buying a Mag in the first place. I have a tac-one mag and i use it with nitro and it works splendidly.

whatever you get, just make sure the mag has the X-Valve and Level X Anti-Chop System.

[Thanna]

Well the older classic valves can use CO2.

[MANN]

Automags DO work with CO2. As long as you purchase a Automag, Minimag, or Micromag CO2 will work fine. I have used CO2 on all of those guns, and it does not affect the gun.

RT, Xvalve, Retro, RTpro, Emag valves All require HPA/Nitro. If you are wanting to use CO2 do not purchase a gun with these types of valves.

Hope this helps, and welcome to AO

[Smoothice]

Automags DO work with CO2. As long as you purchase a Automag, Minimag, or Micromag CO2 will work fine. I have used CO2 on all of those guns, and it does not affect the gun.

I agree and disagree.

These guns will work if set up properly in my experience. I had a automag with a horizontal asa and I couldn't shoot any faster then 1 bps without the gun freezing up.

To get good results out of using CO2 you need to set the gun up properly.

1.One way is to use a vertical asa and simply attach the CO2

Or

2.You can use a remote either on a vertical asa or horizontal asa

Or

3.You can install a vertical asa, get an expansion chamber or stabilizer and a horizontal asa with an antisiphon tube installed in your CO2 tank.

I am sure there are other ways. I went with option 3 and am happy with the results.

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[NASurfer]

hi guys, im going to buy a automag dont know what kind yet but i want to know if they can operate good with using Co2. and what are the pros and cons of it. thanks

A mag with a classic valve (meaning no RT valve, X valve, emag valve) WILL work.

The problem is that mags really, really despise liquid CO2. Once you get liquid in those valves you're gonna need a rebuild kit. It doesen't take much either. As you can tell, some people have setups that really do a whole lot to prevent liquid from getting in your gun ie expansion chamber, vertical tank setup, remote line.

If you run your tank horizontally, play in cold weather, shoot fast, or plan on attaching a tank directly into the gun you could be asking for trouble.

[NASurfer]

hi guys, im going to buy a automag dont know what kind yet but i want to know if they can operate good with using Co2. and what are the pros and cons of it. thanks

Mag Pros-

Reliability- I just drop a couple of drops of oil into my air adapter and dry fire it 30 times or so (with the barrel off) at the end of the day. After that I throw it in my closet and forget about it for several months. It works great when I pull it out several months later.

Consistency- Mags come with a good built in regulator. You'll get pretty good shot to shot consistency.

Simplicity- Nothing to mess with. Simple design. Just make sure it has oil and nothing really can go wrong.

Stainless steel design- tough, durable. Will last for ages. I'm willing to bet my mag is over 10-12 years old. Been through several owners and runs like a champ. Thanks to the stainless steel construction, if you happen to buy a mag off of ebay that doesen't work, a cheap seal kit is all it will take to get it up and running.

Price- You can get them cheap off of ebay nowadays. Personally I woulden't pay more then $150 or so for a classic 68 mag.

Mag Negatives-

Rate of Fire- Basically one shot per pull. It's got a nice snappy trigger that can be pulled fast, but don't buy the 9 BPS type claims you see on the net. Sadly, if throwing a ton of paint is your goal, there are better options out nowadays for just a tad more money.

Stainless Steel design- Both a positive and negative. If you plan on just a standard mag with hopper and paint you'll be fine. If you plan on a warpfeed also your setup will get quite heavy. Something you'll notice after a long day of playing and running around. The Mag is quite a bit heavier then some of the plastic guns out there.

Availability- Mags are reliable guns and were once the gun to own, but Paintball has shifted it's attention towards other companies. You're likely to be limited in your barrel selection, quite a few paintball shops don't even carry mags and their accesories anymore. Of course that's what the net is for, but if you plan on hitting a field; the mag is considered to be an 'old school' marker that people don't use anymore. Has nothing to do with the quality of the mag, it still shoots well and is reliable.

[fatkidfrank]

if you do get an older mag to run with CO2 make sure you don't play in colder waether. I have my 68 setup with an expansion chamber and works great in the summer heat on either HPA or CO2 but in the fall the CO2 doesn't cut it. You can put out fires better than you can spit out balls.

[PyRo]

Remember when the first mags came out Co2 was the only option, these guns were desinged around CO@. All the Automag Classic and MiniMag valves can run on CO2. The Retro Valves, X-valves and all the newer stuff can't. Although I bet if you went nuts with expansion chambers, stabilizers, hose length, a remote, etc you could run CO2 through a retro valve..
Choose one or more below and you should be fine, in the colder weather you will need two for certain.
Vertical ASA
Remote
Long hose between tank and valve
Expansion chamber
Stabilizer (one of the best)
Anti-siphon -make sure it is installed properly, improper installation will make it a siphon

[bleachit]

Stabilizer (one of the best)

QFT

I tried a remote, expansion chamber and an anti siphon, and various combinations of the 3. Playing/shooting in WNY in 40-60 degree weather at times, the Stabilizer has, in my opinion, easily outperformed the other options.

its very simple too.

[nathanjones008]

money

with all the money buying stabilizer and a remote you ca take the smart route and use nitro. mags simply not work good on co2, i have been there. the liquid co2 gets into the internal and makes your gun dirty and you presssure spikes. It is not good wisdom to use co2. also n2 is more accurate on a mag than co2. to make a long story short , save your pennys and get n2.

[bleachit]

with all the money buying stabilizer and a remote you ca take the smart route and use nitro. mags simply not work good on co2, i have been there. the liquid co2 gets into the internal and makes your gun dirty and you presssure spikes. It is not good wisdom to use co2. also n2 is more accurate on a mag than co2. to make a long story short , save your pennys and get n2.

mags can work well on C02 under the right conditions

not everyone has easy access to HPA

the cost of a stab and a 20 oz tank or 2 is better option for those who dont play near civilization

dirty, eh?

n2 more accurate? more consistent, perhaps, but not necessarily more accurate.

co2 can be consistent when reg'd properly, assuming there are no major changes in air temperature.

[nathanjones008]

n2

good point i guess if you dont live near a n2 station co2 will be your best bet. but if you live near a place that you can fill up n2. then it is the best. with the anti syphon tank, plus the palmer stabilizer and the remote or what ever people use for co2 with all these factors combined, it will cost about the same as a n2 tank. you can get them used for very cheap on ebay. co2 is a very erratic and not so stable gas for paintball. i use to run co2 on my mag. also on my spyder compact 2000. it is very dirty and the pressure can spike like or dip down depending on the outside enviroment, exmaple playing in sub zero temps, or playing in a hot climate. the weather will change the consistancy. if the liqid co2 reaches your gun it is not good. ( along with n2 you need a good paint to barrel match.)

since n2 is a more stable gas. therefore the shots are more consistance or the pressure is the same. the weather doesnt effect n2, in toher words, your gun will not freeze if you shoot to fast in the winter weather. in the long run, with all the need money you spend on changing orings or other damage from co2 n2 is the way to go. irs cleaner and smarter. yet more expensive.

n2 is sometimes cheaper to fill , in many paintball shops and fields, where i play all day n2 or compressed air for 5 bones, co2 you have to pay for each refill. it all depends where you like and how clean you want your gun to be.