Co2 and Classic valve ?

[RetroMagMan]

I have a classic valve.. they say its about the only valve that will work with Co2. I have a expantion chamber. They also say to use a remote line to help with the liquid from getting in the gun. My question is, if i get the 2 hoses on my gun lengthened some, like make them a little longer then u should and maybe the top hose to kinda loop up above the gun stock some... well would that help prevent the liquid from getting so i dont have to use a remote line. Or just leave them short. I like the look better that way.. but want my gun to work and not get liquid in.

[georgeyew]

Yes, if you loop the hoses around a couple of times, it will give the liquid CO2 enough room to expand before the valve. But if you have an expansion chamber, that might not be necessary. How big is the expansion chamber? Can you post some photos of your marker?

[RetroMagMan]

Yes, if you loop the hoses around a couple of times, it will give the liquid CO2 enough room to expand before the valve. But if you have an expansion chamber, that might not be necessary. How big is the expansion chamber? Can you post some photos of your marker?

ya ill get some pics later today or tommorow. Chamber is on the bigger side. but ill get some pics soon. Thanks.

[DaFin]

How you have your bottle mounted, if it's vertical or horizontal.

Also what weather/tempurature you mostly play in.

[georgeyew]

ya ill get some pics later today or tommorow. Chamber is on the bigger side. but ill get some pics soon. Thanks.

If your chamber is on the bigger side, I wouldn't be concerned about liquid CO2. You should have plenty of space for the expansion process. Good luck.

[Jaan]

Looping a hose around a couple of time was an old skool way of keeping liquid out of the gun. It worked well, and it was cheep compared to buying an expansion chamber or a remote line. A remote line by itself is enough, and an expansion chamber with an anti syphon tube in the tank (if it's horizontal) is enough.

[pierce]

I suggest getting a verticle asa (Lapco makes them) it puts the bottle in front of the trigger so you could use it as a forgrip. This way you don't need a expansion chamber, anti-siphen tube, or a remote. I did this along with makeing a stock that mounted on the grip and it worked great. If you wanted added protection against CO2 entering the valve buy a Palmer Pursuit Stabilizer (Side-line type).

[Jaan]

If you wanted added protection against CO2 entering the valve buy a Palmer Pursuit Stabilizer (Side-line type).

The only problem with the Palmer Stabalizer is that you can buy a used Classic 'Mag for the price of one

[pierce]

That is true Jaan but then you have 2 guns and still no Palmer.

[kansas kaos]

Not to be a killjoy but...... the Palmers Stab is a fine regulator and it is one of the few that still works if (and when) liquid c02 gets to it. However, the Palmers Stab does not keep the liquid c02 from passing thru to the marker. Using a good sized expansion chamber along with an anti-siphon tube in the tank (if mounting tank horizontal) should keep any liquid c02 from reaching the valve.

[mag_lover05]

i dont use an anti siphon or an expansion chamber... tank mounted horizontily

am i fubar?

[kansas kaos]

i dont use an anti siphon or an expansion chamber... tank mounted horizontily
am i fubar?

m_l05, there are several things that could allow a player to be able to use co2 successfully without an expansion chamber or anti-siphon.
~ Slow ROF. Most c02 probs can be directly associated with higher ROF, the c02 just doesn't get enough time to expand into a gas.
~ Is your tank really horizontal? On the markers I use c02 on that are set-up "horizontal" my asa is actually tilted slighty so that when the tank is screwed in the front sits a little higher than the rear of the tank.
~ Gun position while not shooting..... how many times in a woodsball/scenario game have you been standing (or sitting) waiting to decide what to do next? Look around.... how many players have their barrels pointed almost straight down? A lot... and if that's the case it means their c02 is turned in such a direction that all the liquid is right at the valve waiting to exit the tank.
~ Length of line between tank asa and marker might be long enough to let c02 expand enough to prevent "icing".
I'm sure there are other factors, but if you're using c02 and are not experiencing any issues why worry? In fact we should be asking you about your set-up....

[mag_lover05]

it really is horizontal, with steel braided hose going from bottomline ASA to valve, and i shoot like 1-2 bps because im used to pump....i mean i use a 50 round hopper on my mag as well as a 12oz tank, very rarely will i just shoot like 10 balls at 5-6 bps (like, never)

[kansas kaos]

i shoot like 1-2 bps because im used to pump....

That is why you are able to use c02 without an expansion chamber. Like I stated in my previous post, ROF pretty much determains whether or not problems occure. Lo FOF= no probs, Hi ROF = probs. I'll bet if you tried to pull off two 8-shot strings (16 balls) @ 8-10bps you'd freeze the line from your asa to the valve....

[Jaan]

If you *do* get liquid CO2 in the valve it's not that big of a deal. You'll probably just need new seals. It's not like you killed it forever dead lol.