automags suck?!? what?

[Wolf7]

Alright, so I told this sports park that I wanted to buy an automag pro classic, and he goes: "you dont want a automag, they are old technology and they always break, buy an inver mini or something else, cuz you will just be holding yourself back." is this true? He called it a crap gun, and said they always break! I havent bought one, or played with one, but from everyone I have heard from, they are great guns that rarely break!
help me out!

[robnix]

Alright, so I told this sports park that I wanted to buy an automag pro classic, and he goes: "you dont want a automag, they are old technology and they always break, buy an inver mini or something else, cuz you will just be holding yourself back." is this true? He called it a crap gun, and said they always break! I havent bought one, or played with one, but from everyone I have heard from, they are great guns that rarely break!
help me out!

Buddy of mine just aired up his classic to test it. It's about 10 years old and hasn't been fired in two years, it worked just fine.

I have three mags and a phantom. Two mags are for my use, and one is a loaner for when other peoples markers go down. It's loaned out just about every time I play to someone. The few times my mags have given me problems on the field, an o ring or a spring has fixed the issue.

Outside of reg pistons, I've never had an issue that actually kept my mags from shooting paint. Replacing reg pistons takes about two minutes if you have one in your toolbox.

The funny thing is that I've given out more o rings to other players than I've used myself over the past few years.

Contact Tuna if you want a pro classic. It's a small investment for what's a solid, and very upgradable marker.

[Wolf7]

I did contact him, but I think I will just buy it from a local store.

[Tao]

Alright, so I told this sports park that I wanted to buy an automag pro classic, and he goes: "you dont want a automag, they are old technology and they always break, buy an inver mini or something else, cuz you will just be holding yourself back." is this true? He called it a crap gun, and said they always break! I havent bought one, or played with one, but from everyone I have heard from, they are great guns that rarely break!
help me out!

No mags are the most reliable guns out there, at least top 3 and even though this forum is biast many people can honselty say this from their own experiences. Mags are old technology, but they are still close to the top. They lack fancy looks so that is why no one uses them in professional play anymore. There hasn't been much need for improvement on them.
They tend to always break when you "tinker" with them (do it yourself mods). Back in the day the people who were used to tinkering with other guns such as cockers would get a mga try and tweak it themselfs and have nothing but problems.
Paintball culture now embraces good looks without asking any questions. Most players have no idea of what actually works or what is just empty claims to fame from the industry. For example the only solid evidence for imporving accuracy is for having a set of barrels with slightly different bore sizings to accomodate the variance in paint sizes between manufactures. I went to the local "pro" shop to buy a barrel kit and the guy said "don't buy that, buy this dye two piece barrel it is all you need. It has the biggest bore size so it will take any paint and is the most accurate". Anyway anyone who knows anything about barrels would walk right out the store at that.

To make a long story short mags are great guns. Don't necessarily take our word for it, but do some research. If a company states the features of the gun with some scientific back up rather than stating the features in big exciting eye catching logos it might actually be a better product rather than just something churned out with features powered by magical elves

[Tao]

I did contact him, but I think I will just buy it from a local store.

Be careful with price. I guess that is the only downside about mags (but not really when you only need to spend about $25 on a parts kit which will last 5-10 years :) )

Buying used on ebay is ok too. Mags are very reliable so used isn't so bad. Since the used market is low you can find next to new guns for cheap!

[Wolf7]

I know they are good, it just upsets me that cuz it aint eletronic and it isnt flashy, its not good.

[TippmannGuy]

they are great guns period.

Saying they break is a load of crap.

[Mongoose]

I know they are good, it just upsets me that cuz it aint eletronic and it isnt flashy, its not good.

Hold on my friend!!! mags do come in the electric form....look around this forum and you will see all kinds of mags.
you can get a mech mag, pnuemag, and emags.
also you will find many people that have done some crazy custom work to there mags..."Spydermag" "egomag" ect...
99% of all mag parts work together, so you can customize just about everything.
visit " themagsmith.com" here is a great example of how a mag can look,
Bottom line is: MAGS WORK...ALL THE TIME
-Goose-

[pierce]

Go ahead and buy that flashy Invert Mini, and in a couple a years when they don't make them anymore and you can't get parts you can use it as a paper weight. Then you can buy the Mag.

[Tao]

Hold on my friend!!! mags do come in the electric form....look around this forum and you will see all kinds of mags.
you can get a mech mag, pnuemag, and emags.
also you will find many people that have done some crazy custom work to there mags..."Spydermag" "egomag" ect...
99% of all mag parts work together, so you can customize just about everything.
visit " themagsmith.com" here is a great example of how a mag can look,
Bottom line is: MAGS WORK...ALL THE TIME
-Goose-

True, but I doubt that the moms buying the guns out there are going to be doing much custom work for their kids...better off just buing a DM7

[Wolf7]

Hey, when I meant the eletric part, I was talking about the automag pro classic, I know there are electrics and pnuemags, but I was talking about the classic. And Tao, that isnt neccessary, I have bought all my gear, and I dont plan on having my mom pay for anything.

[Target]

It seems that many " Pro-Shops " have the same kind of people.
Not everyone is a speedball junkie that drools over the latest flashy " gun-of-da-day".
I like pumps and solid performers like mech Cockers and Mags.
There is very little that can go wrong with a Mag that an Oring won't correct.

I would reccomend a level 10 bolt on whatever valve you get ( Classic, ReTro, X) to prevent chopping. They work well when tuned and broken in.

I like the Intelliframe, but there are others out there. Y frame, Z frame, Benchmark, Dye...

The rate of fire of a basic mech Mag does not rival an Electro but they can be setup to be pretty close.The level 10 negates the need for "eyes".

Their valves need high pressure (850 psi or so) making HPA the prefered air source. CO2 works fine for many people with the proper setup. This also causes the misconception that Mags have poor efficiency. You are limited by not being able to use the last 1000psi or so in the tank.

Aftermarket and stock parts are hard to find. Most stores and distributors do not carry Automags or parts.
Many aftermarket companies no longer make accessorie or "upgrades" although, the stock parts are pretty darned good.

Try one if you can to see if they're comfortable to you.
I've been through many a gun to find ones that work with me.
I always fall back to older Cockers and Mags.
The others just don't feel right . I am not an electro kinda guy. I have a B2K but seldomly use it over my other guns.

Skill will overcome any marker's abilities.

You won't hold yourself back by using a Mag or pump for that matter. You will just have to change your game stratagy.

[SR_matt]

well however nice it is to think our gun of coice is perfect and doesnt break ever, truth be told all guns will break and all guns will have problems.

oldschool mags were total tanks in reliability and in weight

a more modern mag w/lvl10 and a ult are still pretty reliable but a little more tepermental.

if you are playing in tournies dont get an old school mag unless you want to be shooting at half the rof of every one else.

mags are very easy to learn and to tech pretty fast (i swaped carriers and shims 3 times at a scenario to try and retune it and it only took me like 10 mins total from when i started to open up my gun untill i was getting paint and air to go back on).


they suck? hmm well compared to my friends electros i do chop more paint than they do with my lvl 10 compared to theire eyes but i am running my ult on the edge and i use rt and walk my trigger a lot.

but i can clean my gun out quick even on field, ya it might take a little longer than the just pull your bolt out but i get it all cleaner.

its lighter than a lot of electros and they are very simple.

if your playing rec and scenarios or even a tourney scene where its not all about the bps any mag will be great but if you want a lot of bps the old school mag wont give it with otu some upgrades.


in short - mags are good, but im not going to put them on a pedestal (even though i love my mag)
-they are good guns

-matt

[Wolf7]

I know, guns do sometimes break, but I heard that AGD is fairly easy to maintain. I will get a Level 10 soon, but I am buying the pro classic, and the HPA, then, probaly a level 10, then a drop forward.

[PhantomStalker]

i got a 68 classic from a friend of mine. i gave him 50 bucks for it. he got the gun back in 97 or 98. he used it like 3 times then he put it in his closet. i got it from him about 3 months ago. put some o rings on it and oiled it and it works just fine. Mags are great guns.