Morlock HES Wiring - Stumped

[VFX_Fenix]

So I've got my morlock and I follow the wiring instructions on this page on how to install it into an E-Mag and I'm coming up dead. I've verified power, ground and signal wires are correct through lots and lots of digging online to find the part and its wiring instructions. The only thing left that comes to mind is either there isn't enough power to run the HES sensor (which doesn't make a whole lot of sense since these things run at less than 5V and I measured the output from the power at 4.6V) or somehow the HES sensor in the gun has gone bad. I also

Also, while just jumping the trig + (12) and trig - (11) or signal (4) wires I was able to get the solenoid to operate, however it get very hot after only a few shots, I think the dwell is the culprit here though so I'll deal with that later.

Documented wiring for this HES sensor

///---------- black - output
|||---------- yellow - ground
\\\---------- red - power

Currently -

HES|---- Black - Black -----| Morlock Trig (-) #11
HES|---- Yellow - Orange ----| Morlock emitter (+) #4
HES|---- Red - Red ----| Morlock Trig (+) #12

Result -

LED flashes then remains on and solid

Ydna suggested in the above thread the following -

HES|---- Black - Black -----| Morlock Trig (-) #11
HES|---- Yellow - Red ----| Morlock Trig (+) #12
HES|---- Red - White ----| Morlock Eye (+5V) #1

Result -

LED flashes then turns off

Morlock pins
1 = White (eye +5 volts at 150ma max) short lead
2 = Green (eye signal)
3 = Black (emitter -) short lead
4 = Orange (emitter +)
5 = Red (solenoid 2)
6 = Yellow (solenoid 2)
7 = Red (solenoid 1)
8 = Blue (solenoid 1)
9 = Black (battery -)
10 = Red (battery +)
11 = Black (trig -)
12 = Grey (trig +)

[flyboy]

If you dont get it resolved I can look at mine, its locked up but Ill get it out tomorrow.

The correct behavior is for it to blink and then go solid.

[BigEvil]

Um, where are you grounding the board? THe emag uses the frame for the ground, through the board mounting screw. You might want to try to put the battery ground from the board to that screw, or back to the battery to check it.

Dwell should be anywhere from 13ms-30ms. Try 20 as a starting point.

[VFX_Fenix]

board is grounded with the old board mounting screw, this will need to be replaced with a shorter screw or a nut(s) be put onto it to take up the extra length before the gun's finished. I should have said that the board does work and the gun will shoot if I manually cross the trigger wires, but the problem is revolving around the HES sensor wiring.

[Tunaman]

I have seen that all HES's are not wired the same. Try switching the yellow and black. I have documented this and wrote it all down. I'll pull out the schematic tomorrow. You are close.

[VFX_Fenix]

The diagram below

Documented wiring for this HES sensor

///---------- black - output
|||---------- yellow - ground
\\\---------- red - power

Is based on this image from Allegro Micro.



Reasonably it seems that any of the Morlock's ground wires would work for the center ground pin. The VCC pin needs to be from the Morlock's Trig (+) which provides around 5VDC. The output voltage though also seems like it could go to any of the Morlock's ground wires as well based on what I've done already. If I connect a hot wire to any of the posts beside the VCC pin I get the LED flashing twice then shutting off, so I'm confident of my HES orientation.

I'll give the yellow/black swap a shot though just the same.

[A-Tach-One]

It is always possible the HES went bad. This is how I wired mine, but like Tuna said the hes wire colors varied. This is mine but even if the colors are different just follow the order from top to bottom.
Yellow(top wire on my HES) to Grey
Black(middle wire) to Black
Red(bottom wire) to orange.

Goodluck

[flyingpootang]

I have seen that all HES's are not wired the same. Try switching the yellow and black. I have documented this and wrote it all down. I'll pull out the schematic tomorrow. You are close.

I gotta agree with Tuna outta my 3 PredII installs there are 2 different ways the HES is wired.

[VFX_Fenix]

I'm thought that the HES had gone bad so I "borrowed" one from my other E-Mag and tried the install, same result no matter which way I slice it. I'm really stumped here, I checked that the gun worked before I took the HES out of it. I then put the original HES sensor into the second E-Mag with the stock board and it works just fine. So no such luck calling the HES dead.

[VFX_Fenix]

I suppose I should also say this is one of the Ghost Morlock Boards, though nothing's really different about the pin layout from what I've seen.

[Mind'sEye]

A-Tach's wiring method worked in my install of a Mini Morlock too. It's been a few years and my Emag is gone but IIRC we had different red and yellow HES wire positions. Just go by the top to bottom position as stated and it should work. Be sure to check your trigger magnet position too.

[VFX_Fenix]

Alrighty, after much fidgeting around with wires and what not all the HES is up and running. woot. Atach's method worked like a charm and I feel silly for overlooking it in the first place.

[athomas]

Yep.

You need 5v power for the HES (1) usually obtained at orange (4) of board
You need ground for the HES (2) usually obtained at black (9) of the board
The HES output (3) goes to the trigger + (12 grey) of the board.

Depending on the HES, the pin wires may be different so a bit of investigation needs to be done before attaching to the board.

Good to see you got it going.

[A-Tach-One]

Alrighty, after much fidgeting around with wires and what not all the HES is up and running. woot. Atach's method worked like a charm and I feel silly for overlooking it in the first place.

Great to see you got it going!