CycloneMag?

[peeeto]

thinking about the same thing last year i came across some player in England who says he's cycloned a mag:

Nov. 28, 2006 post at walkonzone.com by user gommie404

sounds like he did some extensive work (high speed cameras for timing, etc.). someone might wanna try to get a hold of him for more info...

[Abizdafuzz]

gommie404

This guy is on the right track. The pressure can only be decreased if you increase the size of the piston or you soften the spring that it acts against. It sounds like to do this with the air source it would require a custom ram and internals and to be hooked to the valve, so that it actuates when the valve cycles. If I could get ahold of a cyclone and had the time, I would love to look into this...even as my design project for one of my last classes in engineering school, but I doubt I could make my profs understand and fund it haha.

[angrysasquatch]

I sent him a PM, hopefully he'll get back to us and help this thing move along.

[angrysasquatch]

Well, here's his response:

i did fit a cyclone to a mag ,
But i replaced all the ratchet parts with a hopper servo
and board from a empire.
And it was not mounted on the side.
< why ruin something that is so slim >
my cyclone was under the marker and the feed was upwards.

After extensive tuning of cyclones over the last few years
< gas flowing for A5 tippmans>
They dont work very well under 600 psi.
And you cant swap psi for volume theres no space in the piston head.

Just get a good hopper and play.
Thats all there is to it.

I like the qloaders but dont like there quirks and if you get hit on the pod it breaks the paint inside.
Thats where this vertical cyclone feeder came from.
but its not cheap.

But the main thing here is i dont know where your going to take your gas feed from.

Also gas pressure at the bolt chamber can be different from mag to mag.
Then if its a x mag the pressure in that area wont have the psi to run the cyclone any way.
And if you take it from the back your be at bottle psi and will blow all the hoses off.

By the way i am a member of this mag forum
And have been a mag player since they first hit the market.
Wow that must be neary 20 years now.

Well last but not least this is where i go out on a limb
and disagree with tom.
I use a armson rifled barrel on my xmag.
And as long as i use a good paint and keep every thing clean
Its the dogs nads. < means its very good to our chaps from the usa>

Useing a standard barrel < as in smooth bore >
back to back with the armson.
The armson gives better range and hits right out there
better than standard but not as far as a flatline.

when fitted with a pro point if i can see you i can hit you.
This way i can use dark or black paint and you dont see it coming.

Man size target at 50 yards 8 out of ten shots are hitters

one more point if you want to stop chopping balls why dont you just fit a level 10 bolt and spend some time setting it up.
As long as you use a hard shell < not as hard as spec opps>
your never break a ball again.
Well nearly never as this wont stop barrel breaks.

Any way good luck,
And say high to tom for me.

Seems he basically made that BT rip clip that was mentioned. Sounds like quite the custom job he did .

So, to get a pneu'd cyclone'd mag, it seems that we'd have to have 3 regulators. Maybe have the air off the MSV-2 (that's the three way, right?) go to the MPA-3 and also a air-powered valve that would let ~600 psi air go to the cyclone.

Anyone still with me?

[viper-mayhem]

I guess you never know until you try, and he did. Saves us from time investing. It does give insite to those who want options for warpfed mags(meaning the Rip Clip).

[gommie404]

cyclone mag

Hi guys long time no see.
I see my thread got posted thats cool.
To keep the cyclone nice and small i used a 9 volt stepper motor in the bottom of the cyclone feeder not the normal servo you would find in a hopper.
< as this would stick out the bottom.
Then i used a emag type front battery compartment to hold the board and the 9 volt battery.

Now i used this on a feed up system with a long thin hopper under the barrel.
But thinking about it with a bit of brazing for some mounts i cant see why this would not go on the side of the mag.

I didnt put mine on the side as i use a pro point sight and wanted to keep the hopper out of the field of veiw. < and getting shot in the hopper is a real bummer >

Mine is still a mech xmag. but im very interested in these trigger frames with the cocker internals.

Its good to see theres still some very clever thinging out there.
The mag in the uk is now a very rare marker and hardley seen at all.

Keep up the good work.

And if toms reading,, cor blimey govner thanks for the cap you old bugger.

[angrysasquatch]

Or I suppose instead of the triple-regged setup, we could use the air off either the LPR or the tank with a smaller or bigger ram on the cyclone.

People with pneumags, what LPR and input pressures do you use? I'd imagine the LPR pressure would be defined by the pressure required to actuate the MPA-3 and the input would be either a convenient pressure (comming off a preset reg) or the highest pressure the LPR can regulate from without blowing when using an adjustable, since the RT technology valves recharge faster at higher pressures.