Hyperframe questions for Tom and others

[drboo]

I've been thinking about getting a hyperframe for my RT, but I'm getting some mixed info. Skirts tells me it'll be no problem, XR tells me I'll be wearing sears like nobody's business. Questions are:

1) How fast are sears actually worn out with the frame?

2) Is there also bolt wear?

3) What are the disadvantages to a 9v. frame?

I guess I really should just take the tech class
(or steal skirts' emag and forget the whole thing)

-=b0o=-

[XR4]

Old School Carbide Sears

drboo, I'd like to add a few questions to this thread. He's got an oldschool RT that came with the old ball bearing carbide sear. Did these have problems breaking as if the metal was too brittle? Can you just replace it with a regular automag sear, or is it different? Apparently the 9V powered frames conserve power by minimizing the time the selenoid is pulled which raises the sear before the bolt returns (according to my notes from the tech class.) If the bolt is crashing into a sear that may already be too brittle for the impacts it was intended for, won't the hyperframe break it? Last question, according to centerflag's web site you have to send in an RT to have the hyperframe installed. Can you just drill a hole into a standard mag hyperframe to accomadate for the banjo bolt? Since Skirt said it was alright, does that make anyone else think that in reality it will never work?

XR

[ah137]

huumm, while we are all having a great time here, I guess I will add a comment. From what I here you should send the frame into centerflag. Who will then actually mill your rail and on/off pin. So I am guess it might not work correctly or at all by just slapping it on. Check this marker out, I found for sale, in the forms. I will say it's one light emag. Now that I think of it, maybe only micro's need to be sent in. Who knows.

later Hills

P.S. If skirts says it will work......... nevermind

[HyperSnyper]

Dont listen to those that say Hyperframe eats bolts and sears for snack. If the frame is PROPERLY installed, it will last for life.

I know you wont like this, but send the gun into Centerflags to have them install it properly and tune the tolerances. They will do it for FREE. Just the shipping to them is the only cost.

I have had atleast 10,000 shots out my Hyperframed Micro. I was testing different regs to see different consistencies between each. Anyway, to the point... NO PROBS YET (*knock on wood*).

Again, send the gun into Centerflag, having your marker away for a little under 2 weeks is WAY WORTH the lifetime of performance and reliability you're gonna get from the Hyperframe.

As for difference between the Hyper's 9v vs AGD 18v is that the 18v will supply more power to the solenid. It can force the sear in a longer range of motion. This will completely eliminate tolerance issues. But I feel the 9v is enough, the Hyper also allows you to adjust the power to the solenoid, just incase the sear is being pushed far enough.

The major advantage I see with the Hyper over the E-Mag is that its cheaper and there is no need for a big battery pack at the front of the gun. However, I do feel that the Emag is way better than the Hyper. The hallman sensor is better than the microswitch found in the Hyper. But you pay money for cool gadgets.

Hope this helps.


-Hyper

[Butterfingers]

The 18v battary also lasts longer. And can supply power to accessories such as the warp feed and revy.

According to Tom 9v solonoids can overheat if used for extended periods of fire. However, If you dont empty 2 hoppers at a time at near FA fire this shouldnt be a problem. With a 9v frame you also don't have the option of hybrid or manual modes as with the e-mag.

[Paintchucker]

$120 is the cost...

I am not sure on the RT, but when I called them about putting my hyperframe on my RT Pro, they said $120 to cover the costs of the special milling. I can't imagine the banjo bolt thing would make it any easier.

They also said $600-650 to put a brand new one on it. LOL, you could about buy a used emag for that price.

I believe that the sear is harder metal than the bolt. What the old stories about bolt eating are is Old Stories. I think they had some problems early on, but have long since corrected them. I have never had a lick of trouble with my hyperframe on my minimag (with either stock valve or retro valve either).

The Emag will let you swap back to straight manual mode like an RT Pro with the flip of a switch. With the Hyperframe, if the battery runs out, you are hosed. It is not that much trouble to keep an extra battery around. It uses the same ones as your Revvy. Besides you get 15000 shots per battery, so it is not like they run out everyday like a tank of N2...

[HyperSnyper]

Re: $120 is the cost...

Originally posted by Paintchucker
Besides you get 15000 shots per battery, so it is not like they run out everyday like a tank of N2...

Correction...

20,000 shots per 9v battery =)

-Hyper

[Paintchucker]

Hyperframe Automag Specifications

So your correction stands corrected.

[HyperSnyper]

I went over to their site, I was bored.

Look at this url

http://www.centerflagproducts.com/products/hyperframes/hypframe.shtml

Go to shot counter, it states that the Hyperframe will acutally GO OVER 20,000 shots before the battery needs to be replaced.

I see where you are getting at Chucker, it does say elsewhere that it gets approxiamtely 15k shots. But also from my many experiences from talking with acutal Centerflag techs, a single 9v battery will go over 20,000 shots. It also depends on the solenoid power level you are set at. The higher the level, the more juice flowing to the solenoid. The less life the battery is gonna have.

-Hyper

[Dubstar112]

LMAO.. I dont know why but Ive never gotten 15k shots or any where near that on my hyper.. I've had maybe 10k at most and on a spring fall day like 7k...

[Paintchucker]

Kinda Relative...

You went to the Sales Page, I went to the Tech Page. ROFLMAO... Who you gonna believe.

I am guessing it is all relative as to how many shots you get. I figure that there is some drain between days of playing unless you unplug the battery. So I figure in the LAB, they get between 15000 and 20000. Probably shooting the gun from start to finish in 1 sitting.

Dubstar112: Are you running the Centerflag pieces in your gun for the on/off and on/off pin??? It says you get much less performance if you don't. Pin looked about the same as the stock on/off pin in the retro to me, but anywho...

I guess the best thing to do would be to take a poll of Hyperframe Users to see what we really get. I guess that Mako/Booyah people can post too. Remember, no fudging on the numbers. To draw good conclusions, we need good data!

I have a hyperframe with a duracell battery that I installed in October and has about 6000 shots on it.