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  • Pneumagger
    I like 'Mags.

    • Jun 2006
    • 3556

    #1

    My senior project...

    Well, I've only got about 2 more months of college ahead of me before they give me the boot. As is customary for engineers we have a senior project and I chose to design a paintball gun. The professor initially said no and asked why I am a violent person...
    Anyways, I suggest that it takes more skill to do that than some watered down research for the department, and who cares if it doesn't have any social value or make the university money. So I finally got the project approved and I start5 machining tuesday.

    I'm basically designing a valvetrain to sit on an automag platform. The original concept (as seen in the animation) was to make the new valve "drop in" but I decided I might as well go the whole 9 yards and make it integrated. Pictured below is the final revision to the designs. The video is the original inception and shows the design principal.

    Cocker threads and AKA feedneck. The sealed dump chamber allows for normal electro pnematic or even manual pneumatic operation (given that the shooter does not short stroke it). It's designed to operate off a 4 way valve @50psi, but a 3 way valve can be used with only a (calculated) 2-3 max BPS reduction because the rear driving area is larger than the front. The LP inputs are dual 10-32 ports underneaths and, true to mag form, it uses a stinless braided hose on the side. Given a light mag rail to sit on, it should easily be under 2 pounds. Construction material will be hardcoat anodized 6061-T6 aluminum.

    Let me know what you think. I will post pics tuesday night of the progress.



  • Papa_Smurf
    E/Xmag ACE boards, PM me.
    • Sep 2006
    • 1531

    #2
    I am glad to see this. Very interesting/exciting.

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    • Dend78
      Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum
      • Oct 2004
      • 2963

      #3
      lookin good man very nice work
      2k2 Angel LCD
      turbo trigger
      CP volumizer
      PIPE KIT

      2k Angel CnC LCD
      Vert Frame
      Freak Barrel

      B2k x-milled
      micro rock
      Dye sticky 3's
      vertical max-flo
      Edge barrel with blue J&J tip

      Egg 2 y board
      Empire Reloader
      Dye Throttle 91/4500
      Crossfire 114ci/3000
      Angel Air Reg

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      • DvS21
        w00t
        • Aug 2007
        • 170

        #4
        Tom Kaye is going to hire you to bring life back to the AGD company and make it mainstream again.

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        • Papa_Smurf
          E/Xmag ACE boards, PM me.
          • Sep 2006
          • 1531

          #5
          Originally posted by DvS21
          Tom Kaye is going to hire you to bring life back to the AGD company and make it mainstream again.
          Sorry, who are you again?

          Pneu, I'm PMing you about this.

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          • DvS21
            w00t
            • Aug 2007
            • 170

            #6
            it was a joke....


            and I'm Dennis an unimportant forumer here and the owner of an automag. I was paying his design homage by telling him it was clever enough for Tom(who I hear is brilliant) to like it.

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            • BREAD_DA_PAINTER
              GO DAWGS... Im a G8R-H8R

              • Mar 2006
              • 1034

              #7
              i like how its on the airwalk frame..... goood luck with it.....


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              • grEnAlEins
                dazed and confused
                • Jul 2002
                • 2864

                #8
                Originally posted by Papa_Smurf
                Very interesting/exciting.
                QFT

                Good idea. I hope it turns out.
                bless, support, and never forget the troops
                God bless my cousin: Cprl. Peter J. Giannopoulos K.I.A. 11/11/04 in Latifiyah, Babil Provence, Iraq.

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                • questionful
                  LNIB
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 1416

                  #9
                  You should start "Second Endeavor Paintball"! Call it the QUAG!!


                  But I think you should do something else. For example, try to make a pneu-pneumag. Use a mag valve, get rid of the bolt spring, and ionize it.

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                  • Pneumagger
                    I like 'Mags.

                    • Jun 2006
                    • 3556

                    #10
                    Originally posted by questionful
                    You should start "Second Endeavor Paintball"! Call it the QUAG!!


                    But I think you should do something else. For example, try to make a pneu-pneumag. Use a mag valve, get rid of the bolt spring, and ionize it.
                    OK OK OK... in my defense.

                    I honest to God designed this on my own. I knew I wanted to make an upgrade valve for the mag that was totally electro pneumatic. I churned out a spool design and another unique design. I wanted to make a spool that pleased me because when one looks at a shocker all you see is inefficiency and orings. I was shooting for 100% internal volume usage (no wasted space), better flow, LESS ORINGS, and to fit in a mag-sized package. It wasn't until shortly after I showed my design to someone that they were like, "dude, that's a quest." Now I knew Quests were spool driven from hearsay, but had never even seen one in life. I was surprised at the similarities... but there are differences and I stick to my guns in that I did the design.

                    The other design is simply uses a high flow valve to dump air on the bolt assembly all at once, similar to the MQ mag PBX tried only a different technical approach. The idea is that the valve can dump air faster than a spring loaded bolt can extend and release it - much like the DW Aedes would have functioned I imagine. This lets you get rid of the sear operation and the bolt returns under it's own spring power once the dump chamber is gone. Below is the design that was ultimately discarded for the performance-proven spool concept. I feel the design below could work well with a gas through rail design but just had too many questions involved to be solved in 3 months... plus i can't afford real R&D or trial and error solutions.


                    Last edited by Pneumagger; 10-13-2007, 11:51 PM.

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                    • Pneumagger
                      I like 'Mags.

                      • Jun 2006
                      • 3556

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BREAD_DA_PAINTER
                      i like how its on the airwalk frame..... goood luck with it.....


                      Funny thing is that I have a raw UMF sitting here for it. I wish Coolhand would lend me a CAD for a UMF so I could really see how it will look.
                      (hint hint)

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                      • y0da900
                        Mechanical Engineer & Nerd
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 215

                        #12
                        You should pick up the other design after you graduate just for grins, when time isn't as controlling a factor. I've got one that is almost identical, but is unbalanced and the chamber air pushes it backwards to open the chamber instead of balancing the spool and using a 4-way (much like an equalizer, but with some differences thrown in that are hopefully better).

                        You manage to get a tap from someone?

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                        • heisman01
                          Registered User
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 523

                          #13
                          looks kinda like the way a quest opperates from the first cad

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                          • BREAD_DA_PAINTER
                            GO DAWGS... Im a G8R-H8R

                            • Mar 2006
                            • 1034

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pneumagger
                            Funny thing is that I have a raw UMF sitting here for it. I wish Coolhand would lend me a CAD for a UMF so I could really see how it will look.
                            (hint hint)

                            ------umf

                            stay with the airwalk.... didnt you help in the design? makes your new project more yours..



                            gl with it anyways...

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                            • grEnAlEins
                              dazed and confused
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2864

                              #15
                              Originally posted by heisman01
                              looks kinda like the way a quest opperates from the first cad
                              bless, support, and never forget the troops
                              God bless my cousin: Cprl. Peter J. Giannopoulos K.I.A. 11/11/04 in Latifiyah, Babil Provence, Iraq.

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