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  • questionful
    LNIB
    • Dec 2006
    • 1416

    #1

    1800psi

    What would it take to run a mag on 1800psi? With fittings and airline that are actually rated to take that pressure.

    My main worry is that in an attempt to turn up the regulator on my tank (Centerflag 201, just a standard poppet reg), the spring will compress all the way and it will push the poppet open. Which will flood fittings, airlines, and gun with 4500psi. I plan on finding the red spring for the 201 (mine's got a green one in there right now. I heard from someone here on AO that with a green spring in their hyperflow they got 1400), but I don't want to test how high it goes and then have everything blow up in front of me. I guess what I could do is estimate the length of the spring when fully compressed (or I could put it in a vise) and measure how far in I can have the nut. Oh, and I'm pretty sure I would have to adjust the pressure relief valve on the regulator piston, would this be safe?

    It is my dream to someday run a full-auto pneumag with as much RT as possible. I'd call the gun Tlaloc, he's the Aztec god of. . . you guessed it-- RAIN.
  • Hilltop Customs
    Registered User
    • Aug 2007
    • 1260

    #2
    Ive never tried it, but lowering down the pressure on the LPR feeding the ram of a pneu would allow for full auto without cranking the input of the valve above 1kpsi. I mean if your lowering the pressure into the LPR, you effectively just pulling the trigger easier....lower it to the right point and you will have the good old RT bounce effect.

    I guess cranking the pressure up will make the sweet spot for the LPR easier to find, and it might increase the BPS some too.

    Just make sure to use some rated steel braided line and some quality 90's.

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    • ElPanda
      Polarstar E. and M.

      • Jan 2008
      • 495

      #3
      whatever you do be careful
      CNC Programmer/Machinist
      Polarstar Engineering and Machine

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      • questionful
        LNIB
        • Dec 2006
        • 1416

        #4
        I know an LPR can sweetspot at much lower than 1800psi, it's just 1800 is what Zak Vetter used to hit 34.5BPS

        Anyway, a quick look on PPS's site found me this:
        steel hardline - 3920psi
        hardline 90*'s - 2000psi
        1/8NPT tee to hardline fitting - 2000psi
        1/8NPT to hardline straight - 1900psi

        I'm sure with those I could rig something up, maybe even with a burst disc. Anyone know where I could find a burst disc with a burst pressure of like 2500-3000psi?
        Last edited by questionful; 06-11-2008, 07:18 PM.

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        • Spider-TW
          U R techno-literate!

          • Oct 2006
          • 3555

          #5
          Originally posted by questionful
          Oh, and I'm pretty sure I would have to adjust the pressure relief valve on the regulator piston, would this be safe?
          The reg itself should be running at normal pressure. That relief is not easily adjustable either. I didn't think Zak ever adjusted it in that scuba tank experiment, did he?

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          • Tunaman
            Specialized AGD Tech

            • Dec 2000
            • 8648

            #6
            1800 psi is looking for trouble. Only the smartest of fools goes there. Be careful.
            Email me for low prices on ALL AGD Products and more. [email protected]
            Tunamart

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            • questionful
              LNIB
              • Dec 2006
              • 1416

              #7
              Originally posted by Spider-TW
              The reg itself should be running at normal pressure. That relief is not easily adjustable either. I didn't think Zak ever adjusted it in that scuba tank experiment, did he?
              I meant the one on my tank reg. It's basically identical to a mag's reg piston.

              If I do this, it won't be any time soon. Just curious. But when I do do it, I'll be Careful.

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              • mtaylor
                EP Magger
                • Feb 2008
                • 87

                #8
                Originally posted by questionful
                Anyone know where I could find a burst disc with a burst pressure of like 2500-3000psi?
                CO2 tanks use 3000 PSI discs. Usually, that is.

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                • Spider-TW
                  U R techno-literate!

                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3555

                  #9
                  Originally posted by questionful
                  I meant the one on my tank reg. It's basically identical to a mag's reg piston.

                  If I do this, it won't be any time soon. Just curious. But when I do do it, I'll be Careful.
                  The hard part is finding all of the fittings that are actually rated for the higher pressure. That, and leaks in threads become more dangerous. They used to sell fittings [QDs] for CO2 that were only rated to 150 psi, so stick with the rated stuff.

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                  • questionful
                    LNIB
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 1416

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Spider-TW
                    The hard part is finding all of the fittings that are actually rated for the higher pressure. That, and leaks in threads become more dangerous. They used to sell fittings [QDs] for CO2 that were only rated to 150 psi, so stick with the rated stuff.
                    Well, I found these:
                    But unless I want to undo the hardline every time I want to remove my valve, I am going to have to find some sort of QD aren't I? Anyone know of something I could use as a QD besides the traditional kind? I don't care if it's kind of a PITA to disconnect, I just think untightening and retightening hardline is a bad idea.

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                    • mtaylor
                      EP Magger
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 87

                      #11
                      Try finding fill station parts-those have QD's on them, and go up well above 1800psi.

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                      • questionful
                        LNIB
                        • Dec 2006
                        • 1416

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mtaylor
                        Try finding fill station parts-those have QD's on them, and go up well above 1800psi.
                        Ha! Great idea, thanks!

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                        • Spider-TW
                          U R techno-literate!

                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3555

                          #13
                          5k Bauer fill couplings

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                          • questionful
                            LNIB
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 1416

                            #14
                            I found this one:

                            Where could I get the Bauer one?

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                            • pmstc
                              free at last
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 404

                              #15
                              Just don't fill your tank up to 4500 before you test it. Maybe like 2000-2500 or so. That way your mag is safe even if the output pressure goes above 1800. Just put an output gauge on the tank to be sure.

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