thoughts of modifying my old valve

[outreach]

alright soo i was looking at my old valve and got an idea, i dont know if im corect :/ ive never really understood why we have the second half of our valves 0.o from my understanding its justt a regulator ? could i not mill off the back half or make a cap of some kind and use a normal reg to adjust the velocity? just a thought singe im using a reg as a forgrip anyway if i could do that it would reduce the weight/ make my mag shorter(sexier )
thought?

[Rudz]

Its been done, you simply need a theaded cap, and you can do it, I believe its recomended you loctite the cap though, due to the fact they have to tendancy to spin off

[snoopay700]

You may get shootdown however. i had the same idea right when i got my mag pretty much and that's one of the things i was warned about.

[atech2]

RogueFactor had a picture of one, and since the back half is the same as a Unireg, I would think shoot down to be a problem

[Smoothice]

So if shoot down isn't a issue then this would be a good weight reducer.

This would be excellent for a pump mag...

[atech2]

The wieght of the back half would most likely be about the same as the added wieght of a vertical regulator.

[Smoothice]

The wieght of the back half would most likely be about the same as the added wieght of a vertical regulator.

Maybe. Depends if you already run with a foregrip anyways.

[outreach]

i already use a forgrip on all my mags wich are just regs with the holes capped incase of dirt :/ im not sure about shoot down i guess getting a reg with a good recharge would be a big part of it.

[Spider-TW]

You have to qualify "shootdown" with a rate of fire. I think Smoothice was thinking pumps, which any reg should be able to keep up with. Any recent designed reg should keep up with one finger semi, at about 6 - 8 bps. A double trigger setup might require a more careful reg selection for consistency, just because mags run at a higher pressure and flow than some of the common regs are designed for.

On a pneumag, you would need to dig up the reg recharge graph from a year or two ago and see which one recharges fast.

It's all just regulators and plumbing, but you're changing their operation from where they were designed. Just don't use a reg that was designed for a top pressure of 300 psi. You need a top pressure of about 500 psi, just to have some headroom and adjust to around 400 psi output.

*fixed*

[snoopay700]

You have to qualify "shootdown" with a rate of fire. I think Smoothice was thinking pumps, which any reg should be able to keep up with. Any recent designed reg should keep up with one finger semi, at about 6 - 8 bps. A double trigger setup might require a more careful reg selection for consistency, just because mags run at a higher pressure and flow than some of the common regs are designed for.

On a pneumag, you would need to dig up the reg recharge graph from a year or two ago and see which one recharges fast.

It's all just regulators and plumbing, but you're changing their operation from where they were designed. Just don't use a reg that was designed for a top pressure of 300 psi. You need a top pressure of about 500 psi, just to have some headroom and adjust to around 400 psi output.

The other thing that happens when you do this is that your plumbing back to your fore grip reg becomes part of your dump chamber. This will change the pressure profile towards the "magic box" dump, which shouldn't be too bad, just different.

It wouldn't become part of the dump because it's all before the on/off. Now if you were to relocate everything but the dump chamber then it would become part of the dump chamber.

[Spider-TW]

It wouldn't become part of the dump because it's all before the on/off. Now if you were to relocate everything but the dump chamber then it would become part of the dump chamber.

Well that explains why it hadn't occurred to me before. I even went back and edited to put that in.

That was a problem on my super bolt when I tried to get rid of the grip reg - not on a mag.

Thanks!

**hmm...moving the on/off puts you back at the old "can I build a remote controlled on/off?" question too.**

[snoopay700]

Well that explains why it hadn't occurred to me before. I even went back and edited to put that in.

That was a problem on my super bolt when I tried to get rid of the grip reg - not on a mag.

Thanks!

**hmm...moving the on/off puts you back at the old "can I build a remote controlled on/off?" question too.**

You could move the on/off but then you would need a hose to connect it, you would definitely get shootdown even at 6 bps probably.

[outreach]

well currently its an ep micromag i wanted to try the idea with my old valve before i decide to do anything drastic lol but im not sure if it would affect performace that much s long as i had a really good flow from the reg? at 20 bps my tank still feeds that mag with an x valve on it and i would think macro line is probably more flow constricting then a decent reg??? or even maybe use an adjustable output tank if its possible? ive never owned an adjustible tank so not sure how they work but m guessintg they work on a dual regulation principle like just ataching the hpr to the tank i guess. this is just kind of a shot in the dark idea i had while looking at my valve the other day lol ive never really understood what actually causes a reg to starve a gun, my old tank reg would starve my ego framed mag after i got past maybe 10-12 bps i figured out what it was and just swapped out the reg but never quiet understood the reason for it

[PrimoRocker]

Only way to know is to try it.
Does anyone know what the threads are for the mag valve reg?