Well ive owned a few mags but ive never really looked at the valves as closely as i have the last few day. i took apart my vavle yet again today and came up with some questions like why exactly is an automag a high pressure marker? and if i figured out away to isolate the chamber when the trigger is pulled say via solinoid instead of an on/off and use a nomal reg instead of the rear half of the valve wouldnt that work as an lp marker or atleast lower pressure? ive never really understood the
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There wouldn't be a point, they aren't really high pressure, they run at 450 psi or lower. And when the air hits the ball it's at 60 psi.Originally posted by outreachIl n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit. -
The mechanics of lp vs. high pressure. since id asume that a paintball requires the same amont of pressure to be fired at 300 fps regardless of the marker i was told something like 80psi @ 1ci soo is the hp and lp part only related to the amount of pressure used to actually opperate the firing of the marker rather then of the paintball itself? And if so could a mag be modified to be lp?Comment
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I was thinking of like re desinging it if possible to be ep and like half the size and alought lighter im really trying to figure out if i could run the air through a solinoid then when the trigger is pulled the solinoid would cut off the air supply ect i just didnt know if it would actually work like i drew it out the mechanics are There im just not sure about the pressure part of it like if i can run enough pressure through a solinoid to hav it fire Or will a solinoid just like blow up lolComment
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A mag running on low pressure would make it even less efficient, if anything you want a mag to be higher pressure, there aren't any benefits to low pressure other than shooting lower into the tank, which isn't really a problem.Originally posted by outreach
Cutting off the pressure with a solenoid isn't the best idea simply because you would have to have it at a very low pressure pretty much.Il n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.Comment
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i figured as much so i was wondering about making it lp far the use of the solinoid or perhaps findind a solinoid that can handle enough pressure to push the bolt forward and fire the ball. ,ow much pressure would actually be needed to do that?Comment
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Well i honestly don't know that, you can do a quick test by setting a spring on a scale, then zeroing it, then pressing on it and seeing how much pressure it takes to get it almost fully compressed, but i calculated the force on a level 10 pin before and i think i came up with 15 pounds of force, so at least that, although then the bolt would move very slow.Originally posted by outreachIl n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.Comment
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i guess i should ask if my understanding of a mag is actually right. the air comes in and is regulated in the back half and through the on/off and ito the powertube/bolt with is held back by the sear when the trigger is pulled the chamber is sealed by the on/off and the sear releases the bolt it moves forward dumps the pressure and is returned by the spring?Comment
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Correct, but after it's regulated it goes into a dump chamber. That's a classic valve though.Originally posted by outreachIl n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.Comment
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Sorry about all the really small posts im on my phone lol anyways i was also thinking i could probably use alot lighter spring as i can keep the chamber completely emptied after the ball is fired untill the bolt comes back with some fine tuning. all the spring would have to do is slide the bolt back i figure that shouldnt take to much pressure to do?Comment
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Yeah ive just been looking at my micromag valve my egomag is at my brothers since hes right neer the field :/ so i havent had a chance to look at it yet but i plan on using eyes so im not too worried about lvl 10 yet i just did a rough design up today looking at the old micro valveComment
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You could lower the pressure if you did that, but i would make it so that the dump chamber was filled with a sleeve or something so that it's got less dead space.Originally posted by outreachIl n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.Comment
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I was thinking of actually just making a valve part to lessen the space ect and mod the bolt abit to make it lighter im not sure on how low i can get the pressure and still have it work / have a solinoid that can handle itComment
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Well i know there are solenoids that operate at 200 psi, but that's usually closing an airway, plus you have to think about how small the passages will be and how that will effect the rate of fire.Originally posted by outreachIl n'y a point de sots si incommodes que ceux qui ont de l'esprit.Comment
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I guess hoses wouldnt even stay on at that pressure but maybe a direct mounted solinoid? i think a shocker runs everything through the solinoid so i dont see why a mag based design should have more problems then those if i reduce weight of the bolt and use a softer spring it should work? im not sure how how fast the chamber would pressurise but i may try and make a deleron bolt and narrow the tube that it sits in to try and use as little pressure as possible to push the boltComment
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