Would gutting a classic valves reg fix shootdown?

[Koosh]

We all know the classic valve is "capped" at around 16bps. Would gutting the regulater, then adding an aftermarket reg that is capable of higher BPS fix this problem? I know it wouldn't have the RT effect, but would adding a sidewinder, or gladiator, or whatever reg out there can keep up with the "20bps" crowd keep me from trading in for an Xvalve?

Just pondering... Figured it was either Deep Blue or PB talk, and took a guess at Deep Blue

[jesseyo13]

The new reg would do very little. It would help though when you reach higher pbs. It will let more air into the valve, or you can just get a gas through forgrip. It wont alow the valve to go any faster though. But close to impossible to pull more than 10 with a single trigger, so good luck going with the 20 bps players.

[Koosh]

Of course I'm not talking about pulling 20bps on a mechanical classic mag, but with Hyperframes, Auto Response frames, and Nicads Hair trigger, there are situations where the classic valve might encounter the shootdown past 16bps...

[athomas]

One of the restricting areas of the AIR valve is the on/off assembly not the regulator part of the valve. Even with a higher flow low pressure regulator, by moving the high pressure air farther away from the on/off assembly you will be adding more restriction in the low pressure air path and actually be reducing the air flow rather than helping it.

[the electrician]

sh0rten the on/off pin, but not too much! or shim up the on/off. this will increase the recharge. using the quad-ring the the e-mag uses also helps.

also, increase the input psi into the gun. give it 1200 psi

you do these things and you should be able to get 20 bps out of the classic valve.

gutting the reg and using an aftermarket one will not let you increase the input psi, and you need to increase the psi for the air to move fasterthrough the gun.

[Dayspring]

Shortening the on/off on a classic doesn't change the recharge rate of the reg/valve itself. It's not improving how fast the valve will flow air.

[the electrician]

well...no, but what does it do?

it let's the dump chamber start filling faster. meaning it will will be able to cycle again sooner.

[Dayspring]

But you still have the classic valve flow rate. The ability to start it sooner doesn't make up for the slow rate (compared to an RT).

[nicad]

I might have an aswer for your original question-- I made a plug for the back of my calssic valve so that I could feed it regulated air from a vert inline reg.
I also made an entire mag valve out of 100% aluminum that had no reg to start with.. it too was fed with a vert inline reg (palmers stabilizers) With a lvl10 they want about 600PSI, so the Stabilizer was within range, but close to its upper limits.

I had a hyperframe with the 20bps board.. neither of the valves/reg could keep up anywhere around 13-15bps.

I concluded it was a step backwords. about the only thing cool was the fact that the gun was an inch or two shorter overall.

out!

[WickeDKlowN]

The only time you'd benifit from gutting the AIR valve and using an aftermarket reg is if you were using a stab. to keep liquid CO2 out.