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  • Commissar_Loki
    6-shootin SOB
    • Jul 2003
    • 438
    #1

    Stabilizer question

    Ok, under the influence of you guys and Tato, I bought a stabilizer. Now i know it's supposed to cap off @ 900PSI, but it only goes up to 750 using CO2. Is this normal? And secondly, will my mag run normally? I'm trying to make it consistant, and so far its working great 9knock on wood), but I'm concerned with the PSI (since mags are "supposed" to have 800PSI for normal use. Any ideas?


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    • shatter_storm
      Registered User
      • Jun 2004
      • 315
      #2
      The mag valve itself is a regulator, albeit not a great one when it comes to CO2. You shouldn't ever need a secondary regulator with your mag if you are using HPA, but with CO2 there can be some benefit.
      If your mag works at 750 PSI using CO2, then be happy. CO2's pressure is highly dependant on the temperature of the bottle and the ambient air. That's why you get "shootdown" when you fire rapidly with a CO2-powered marker - the tank chills down (from the expansion of the CO2 from liquid to gas) and then the pressure drops off.

      This only really applies to the classic/A.I.R. valves. You don't want to run CO2 on a RT/X valve - you'll freeze the thing solid pretty quickly. Even on a classic valve, you'll eat the soft parts (o-rings) quicker when you use it with CO2.

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        • personman
          #3
          Mags should run at 750 psi just fine. Your gun might get starved a little faster, but that would only happen during really fast firing.
          I would call up palmers or something, but then again, maybe you cant get it over 750 because its a possibility that the gas in your tank is only 750. You cant regulate 750 psi up to 900 psi, just think about it. Thats not how a regulator works, they regulate, not amplify.
          So if your co2 tank only has 750 psi of pressure in it (and there is really no way to tell without like a gauge on your drop foreward or gas-through foregrip) then thats why you can only get your stabilizer to regulate 750 psi.

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            • Commissar_Loki
              6-shootin SOB
              • Jul 2003
              • 438
              #4
              These facts i know, but I was just worried the classic non-LX valve may come to harm. I don't shoot fast, since i run a 45 rd hopper at the moment, and will be using a 15 rd tube shortly. I tried the stablilizer w/ HPA, and it went to more than 850, so i asusmed it was just the CO2's pressure, and I'm just making sure it wasn't a fluke and I already broke something ( :P ). Thansk for the reply.


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                • personman
                  #5
                  Yeah, it's probably the co2 pressure.
                  Running the mag at a low pressure wont 'harm' it at all.
                  The worst it will do is give the mag a bit of shoot down, but I dont think you'll experience that unless you have an electronic frame or something.
                  You should be good to go
                  The ideal pressure for mags is 800 psi or so, but (and dont quote me on this) they can cycle on down to 650-700 psi. I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure.

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                    • FallNAngel
                      Registered User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 1076
                      #6
                      Originally posted by personman
                      The ideal pressure for mags is 800 psi or so, but (and dont quote me on this) they can cycle on down to 650-700 psi. I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure.
                      Mags operate at around 400-450 IIRC. You'll want a 200psi barrier between that and the input, so you'll want at least 600-650 going into the gun. Anything past that will increase the reactiveness (RT effect) and recharge rate.
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                        • Asym
                          Registered User
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 209
                          #7
                          It was posted before that mags require a minimum of 600PSI to the AIR valve, can't find the link atm though. As for low pressures from the CO2, CO2 is affected by temperature and has different pressures depending on temperature as can be seen here and here.

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                            • SlartyBartFast
                              The Flying Scotsman
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 2940
                              #8
                              Originally posted by shatter_storm
                              This only really applies to the classic/A.I.R. valves. You don't want to run CO2 on a RT/X valve - you'll freeze the thing solid pretty quickly. Even on a classic valve, you'll eat the soft parts (o-rings) quicker when you use it with CO2.
                              The biggest danger with the X-valve is the way it functions can very easily result in liquid CO2 filling the dump chamber.

                              Very dangerous velocity spikes.

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