ion internals in a e/xmag body

[Majinebz]

I got a question. I'm about to embark on a adventure... well I had to make it sound catchy at first right?? Otherwise you would have left by now.

I bought a xmag body off of ebay for 220 bucks shipped. Because I dont have any lowers around. I started compairing autococker frames and viking frames against my xmag here. Well, they can be attached without modification.

then I started trying to think of a way to contect those frames to a xvalve....... but would not work without lots of modifications.

That seamed all to difficult. Then there was the MQ valved mag... well I got an mqvalve, but in no way will I try and figure out how to put it in a xvalve.

Then I thought about the ion... well... This sounded like a good idea...

so does anyone know the diameter of the valve body of an ion? Is it compairable in size to a mag valve? Is it smaller or larger? if its too big can it be lathed down and still keep a good tollerance?

The breach area could be cut off. That leaves you with the spool valve. All the would need to be done is jam the sucker into the xmag body. tap and screw the valve into the body. The ion frame might be able to even fit on the body.

Anybody have any thoughts on this?
I dont have an ion and I dont wanna buy one unless I think this can work.

[Pneumagger]

the internals probably could'nt be fit down to fin INSIDE any stock mag body. however you could probably mount them to an RTP ULE Rail stright on top.

If you chop up the xmag body at all... none of us will think you're cool anymore (nomatter how good it looks in the end). We'll ostricize you and laugh at you. Then we shall taunt you a second time.

With that said... good luck.

[Majinebz]

Anybody have supportive mature comments. If I wanted an opinion from a 17 year old I woulda asked the neighbor's kid.

Does anybody have the size diameters of a ions spool valve?

I dont wanna take on this project unless I have a good idea it may be possible. If someone has an ion and can give me the diameter of the valve and length from the back qev/banjo bolt to the front one I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks. Later, EBZ

[Lenny]

You confuse me... What exactly are you trying to do?

As far as the electronics go, well, they kind of have to fit an Ion frame, so I asume you could modify an Ion trigger frame pretty easily to accept a new solenoid to trip the Automag sear. You may even be able to work it in as an included rail assembly (just maybe).

But as far as the trigger frame go, I don't see why you couldn't just buy an assembly, hack off the trigger frame, cut down the extra metal, and modify it to fit. I have actually thought about doing this myself (due to the lack of more UMF's...)

Something like this:

http://www.pbreview.com/products/reviews/4296/

I really don't see why it'd be too hard to do. Lost of metal shaving, though... But if you could make it an integrated rail, then no worries.

EDIT:
And Pneumagger is kind of right. It would be a sin to hack up an XMag body. They're just all too beautiful and rare to do that to.

[Majinebz]

never claimed to be hacking anything. Why does everyone assume? And on that note, I paid for it... If I wanna bang on it with a sledge hammer, I'll do so. With no regard to what anybody thinks.

Back on subject.

the ions spool valve I believe is a 3 piece valve. What is the diameter of the spool valve?

I want to cut off the ion breach area and place the spool valve inside the xmag body just like as if it was an xvalve.

So If I can get the diameter and length of the valve, I can decide weather or not I can do it.

Also would be helpful to know the thread distance for the banjo bolts/qevs.

As for the frame, that dont really matter, but it may fit on the xmag body with little to no modifictaions.

[Pneumagger]

Anybody have supportive mature comments. If I wanted an opinion from a 17 year old I woulda asked the neighbor's kid.

Geez... e-sarcasm much

Your best bet would be to buy a nice aftermarket one piece body (like a stage 5 or other and adapt a mag frame and possibly rail to that)

I'd venture to say the max width of the bolt/spool it about .825" +/- .0625"
And although it is possible to chop off the breech just in front of the bolt face... You could never shave down the body much.

If I recall (from owning an ION) the outer breech Diameter was about 1" right on. You'd never be able to shave much more than about 1/8" MAXIMUM off the diameter, any deeper and you run into the breech threads and oring glands. In such case your ion body would explode in half with about 200lbs of force and possibly injure your 17 year old neighbor, whom you should have probably spoken to because he probably knows this.

Please don't ruin an Xmag body... Test it out on a ULE body or better yet a slug body.

Here... this might help:

[the electrician]

here's the deal:

attaching a cocker frame to a mag rail/gun is easier than trying to rig some ion components to a mag. in the end, you'd just be making an ion that looked like a mag...kinda.

hell I'm working on a design for a pneumag using a cocker frame right now.

I don't know what you are calling the "spool valve" of the ion, but yeah it's 3 pieces. the breech, which has the bolt piston's cylinder bore inside, the bolt itself, and the dump chamber/inlet for the back half.

it is possible to use an ion bolt inside a mag body, but you would have to make one of these: http://home.kc.rr.com/theelectrician...arts%20001.jpg
the part on the left is a cylinder bore that I made to fit a new mag design that uses air to return the bolt(the bolt is on the right) much like an ion does.

then you would have to remake the ion dump chamber because it is about 1.235" in dia. which is bigger than the automag body.

in the end you go through a ton of design and machine work to make an ion that looks like a mag.

if that's what you want, there you go.

but I don't think anybody here really understands what you are really wanting to accomplish.

you have to ask yourself- what is the main goal of this adventure in tinkering that I am trying to reach?

then let us know so we can give more useful input.

[Arstron]

This was brought up as a challenge by doc a few months back. It was basicly to discise all the ion internals into a automag. It sounded like an intresting idea, espcially since you can get all the parts for the spool valve from aftermarket companies. I would recomend getting a cheap powerfeed body to test it on before doing it to the xmag body though, just incase the body did need to be modified.

[Majinebz]

Yes, I was beign rather sarcastic. I can be a prick... but remember jesus still loves you even if I dont. hhehehe.

Anyway, thanks for the great input. Just got back from drill and its good to get some positive feedback. I appreciate it.

Electrician: My goal was just try and find a way to get the xmag lighter. I want to eliminate the heavy battery, solinoid, valve and the airline would run from a flatline right through the frame to the solinoid of the ion (or whatever I can get my hands on) I like the style of the body and the interchangable breeches of the xmag... even though I do not use my warp feeds anymore, I would like to keep the option available. The xmag I own currently would not be used for this project. I found a body that I would feel more comfortable at doing something like this to.

Ohh and electrician, your right... the ion is not a spool valve... my mistake. But, I'am very intrested in the air return system you designed there. How long does the dump chamber need to be? Can you make one for me? Along with the dump chamber? LMK. I would appreciate it.
Also... have you thought of trying to make your system into a closed bolt design? Basically making the bolt that only actuates like a ram. maybe even make use of an MQ valve in it also? A closed bolt pneumatic emag?

I thought using the ion 3 peice breech assembly would work. I was simply planning on having it cut and lathed down. But as pneumager stated it is too large a diameter to even be lathed down without serious issues and would be very long. The neighbor kid (yes hes real) his younger brother actually had one, I was able to look at it first hand.

Anyhow. I have the xmag body and a autococker frame that I can use for the test subject. I also have 2 different eblade boards and a morlock mini I can use for the project. Along with several various parts and electronics.

Thanks again, Later, EBZ

[cyrus-the-virus]

I belive shocker frames fit on automags.....

[Lenny]

Make an X-Mag lighter? Jeez, for the love of donuts go to the gym, man!

Just Kidding. The project sounds cool now that it's been explained more in-depth. Keep us informed.

[Majinebz]

Hey got the body for the xmag in the mail yesterday... its dual detent on the breech but its not in the best condition. I dont think I would waste my time even getting it back to a stock configuration. So its perfect for this modification.