My ferocious pneumag!! (Read this if your having walking woes)

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  • longi
    I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
    • Jan 2005
    • 490

    #1

    My ferocious pneumag!! (Read this if your having walking woes)

    OK, her goes, i just got my pneumag to be a fully walkable titan! At first i couldn't work out why it would chuff when walked but would fire single shots in quick succession with no problems. At first i thought it was my modified Retro valve not having enough reactivity after the mod. I also noticed that when the bottle pressure gauge got to about 1500psi it hardly fired at all when walked. So i connected my pneumag straight to the dive bottle and viola!! It walked like a dream! Ah ha! It occured to me that the MPA-3 hose is bent around on itself it, may not be letting enough air through to recharge the MPA-3. Turns out i was right. Only problem was, that i had to drill a large hole through the rail to give me enough clearence so that the hose would not kink. I don't have a mill to extend the mill channel towards the rear of the rail and into the frame, so that will have to wait. What a difference it's made! Also, setting the LPR pressure proved to be critical to performance...
    1)...Not enough pressure causes the gun either to fire irregularly when walked, but single shots seem to fire ok, or not at all. But the MSV-2 works just fine.
    2)...Too much seemed to have the same problem! Then the MSV-2 would start to vent air as the pressure would be too high.

    So to anyone having trigger walking problems, do this.
    1)...Check that your hoses are not kinked in the frame.
    2)... When setting up the LPR, put a dob of Loktite on the adjuster screw to keep the LPR pressure set, otherwise the adjuster screw winds itself out and the pressure drops and it won't fire.(I have a Palmer Micro rock, if you don't do this your gun won't work.) Walk the trigger as your adjusting the LPR, at first it may not fire, slowly screw the screw in until it starts to fire intermittently. Keep screwing in the screw, while still walking the trigger, soon it should be on the verge of walking probably firing 2-3 shots in short busts before chuffing, a bit more and it should start to walk.
    3)...If it still won't walk try this. Buy an e-mag on/off pin as they're shorter than the RT on/off so they provide more reactivity and will make it even easier to walk. To be honest, in my opinion, if you don't already have an e-mag on/off you should really be thinking about buying one, as it makes the world of difference.
    4)...If you still haven't bought an e-mag on/off, try a LX10 shim in the bottom of the on/off as this also provides a bit more reactivity (I've done both so i know it works).
    5)...Try to have a full dive bottle, 'cos your gonna get through alot of air.

    Muwahahahaha!!!
  • longi
    I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
    • Jan 2005
    • 490

    #2
    Just to add to my last post, i've found that it walks much easier than than my friends DM6 and Shocker and Angel LCD! It also feels much quicker having retained the reactivity feel to the gun without the bounce. Once you start to fire, it feels like it wants to carry on going ala "bouncing the trigger." It also feels alot more organic than an electro, this really is a great conversion. Takes a while to set up though.

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    • Pneumagger
      I like 'Mags.

      • Jun 2006
      • 3556

      #3


      I've measured them... a well setup pneumag IS lighter and shorter than Matrixes/PM6/DM6

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      • ZapTheMad
        The local MADMAN!
        • Jan 2004
        • 709

        #4
        How dare you make this post without PICS!!!




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        • Shingo
          The Solar Powered Cat
          • Oct 2001
          • 335

          #5
          Oh, nice.... gotta add this to the database.


          Thanks longi!

          ~Shingo~

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          • Lenny
            I AM the AO famous!
            • Dec 2003
            • 1628

            #6
            Nice
            Autocockers are the greatest markers ever made.
            ~The greatest BACKUP markers to AUTOMAGS!!

            Only temporary, get'n a new sig soon.

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            • longi
              I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
              • Jan 2005
              • 490

              #7
              I'll upload some pic's as soon as possible. I had my camera phone stolen in the early hours of Saturday in London. The camera bit was of very good quality, gutted! As soon as i can borrow a video camera i'll upload some footage for all to see. It exceeded all expectations and i'm very impressed with it.

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              • zyklon69
                Registered User
                • Oct 2001
                • 211

                #8
                pictures and video damni!

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                • longi
                  I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                  • Jan 2005
                  • 490

                  #9
                  As soon as i can i will guys. Did you get yours sorted Zyklon? Lemme know if you did.

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                  • zyklon69
                    Registered User
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 211

                    #10
                    "At first i couldn't work out why it would chuff when walked but would fire single shots in quick succession with no problems"

                    This is the exact problem im having.. right now i've got the ult in there with 7 shims, im gonna try the emag on/off setup, later today im gonna go get some air and do some more testing.

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                    • longi
                      I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 490

                      #11
                      I've been thinking about it, and i think it's the ULT. The results i had using one weren't so good. All it did was chuff, i just couldn't get it to work properly. I had my valve milled out to accomodate it and wished i'd not bothered. I now have lost around 20% of the reactivity with the E-mag on/off installed, however, this is not the end of the story...I now don't think it was milled out enough hence i'm down on reactivity, but it still has the same reactivity as a stock RT. With the pneumag conversion though and even though i'm still down on reactivity, this thing fires so quick it makes me laugh! Although it's not quite as quick as this guy's...His is slightly quicker!



                      I think he could well be using the E-mag on/off. And you'll know when yours it setup correctly because you should be able to walk the trigger without trying, like the guy in the video. Also, short stroking is almost eliminated i'm happy to say, because i'm a short stroking Tyrannasaur, so this mod is a godsend! Once you've swapped the ULT for the E-mag on/off, i'm pretty sure you won't have any more problems with it. It seems that the ULT works in some valves and not for others. Anyway, i still have a few teathing troubles so i'm off to sort them out! Best of luck! Lemme know how you get on. :-)

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                      • longi
                        I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 490

                        #12
                        I have some piccy's of my Pneumag at last! Sorry about the quality, the in my kitchen isn't too great! I'll upload them shortly. I have just filled my dive bottle and now have a full fill. I've tweeked my gun and it's now as fast as Kingpen's. All i need now is a camcorder ,so i can show how bad this sucker is!

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                        • longi
                          I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 490

                          #13
                          And here it is! My erm...Half anodised Dallara bodied wonder! Now that iv'e done an Intelliframe, i'm now gonna start the Chimera frame that i also have. I still have some comsmetic changes to make i.e. Different gas thru grip etc. And i'm gonna try to fit a 90 deg angle barb fitting to the rear of the Intelliframe due to the fact i think i'm gonna have more hose kinking problems, as i run the hose into the hole i drilled into the rail to try and stop the kinking problem. It works but if it's not run back in properly through the hole it has a strong chance of kinking, ie...If your in a rush between games having stripped it down and your not being carefull and then you squash the hose.
                          So here it is.






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                          • ZapTheMad
                            The local MADMAN!
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 709

                            #14
                            hey man, that looks like a cheater board in there!




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                            • longi
                              I love Real Ale alot. Hic!
                              • Jan 2005
                              • 490

                              #15
                              A cheater board??? What that?

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