Wicked Air Sportz: Turbo Rev

[Miscue]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


There is not constant pressure on the balls.

I will be back tomorrow to check the responses. If people would like to know how this works, and have an open mind, with an open discussion, that would be great.

Once the discussion is complete, there will be nothing left to "prove" to anyone, and the nay-sayers will probably feel a little silly.

It's only natural to have nay-sayers. You've provided nothing to help anyone understand the why's and how's. Skepticism is only natural and you have not provided any information so that anyone can be 'correct' in their ideas on this board, w/o blindly following your claims. We don't like to blindly follow things. We want to know WHY.

Why until tomorrow? I thought you made this thing? Should be on top of your head.

Make us believe... please. So that we can have an understanding of the truth.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


Not a chance... I am going to do something even better. I am going to hold your hand, and walk you through the technology, make you answer the questions, and let you build one yourself.

BTW, I was not foolish enough to not lock the PIC chip.

Fine then. What algorithms did you use? Pseudocode is fine. BTW, I can't build it from scratch w/o your code. And besides... A 10 year old could slap it together on a bread board w/o assistance. Your habitual inability to produce data/information is disheartening.

[Cristobal]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


There is not constant pressure on the balls.

I will be back tomorrow to check the responses. If people would like to know how this works, and have an open mind, with an open discussion, that would be great.

Let's get this straight from the get-go then:

What is the definition of an "open mind" and "open discussion"?

In my view this suggests that parties participating will, without bias or prejudice, consider any information presented on its relative merits. Open discussion further implies there are no opinions which are automatically discounted, that no data should be excluded that has a bearing on the matter under discussion, and that no party should be intentionally miss-represent data or evade direct questioning. Finally, each participant should be treated with courtesy and respect even by those of dissenting opinions.

Edit: Wow, this thread is moving fast

[Butterfingers]

WAS,

Before you comment, If you could answer these questions to the best of your ability...

Out of all the other manufactrers out there why do you think we pick on you?

Why do you think all of your products have come into doubt as you claim?

Do you think it may have somthing to do with your marketing tactics? Perhaps your attitude towards potential customers?

If you can answer and understand the responses to these questions I will guarantee you will have a revalation.

After we find out what you think, perhaps we can reply with our answers.

[Restola]

OMG HE STILL HASN'T REALLY SAID ANYTHING

On the thread on the mainboard he says come here, you come here and he says NOTHING!

I swear to never buy ANYTHING from someone this evasive and annoying.

[Miscue]

An interesting article...

http://www.lysator.liu.se/amiga/al/guide/al102/jim_drew_good_or_bad.HTML

[WickedAirSportz]

Out of all the other manufactrers out there why do you think we pick on you?

It is because my claims are beyond the normal scope of what people have been programmed to believe as the limits of a device. Simple as that.

Why do you think all of your products have come into doubt as you claim?

Because I do not produce common place products. I seek to produce products that exceed the boundries of what is considered the maximum level. It is by no accident that these products are doubted. I want to make things that will make people feel that way... and when they get them in their hands, and the reviews are done, I was right. The money and the fame in the industries I have been involved in are truly meaningless to me. It's that look on the doubters face when they realize they were wrong that keeps me going.

Do you think it may have somthing to do with your marketing tactics? Perhaps your attitude towards potential customers?

My marketting tactics are the simple truth. Mix that with the product specifications, and you're bound to have a mass of nay-sayers.

I love my potential customers. We have implemented a lot of changes based on customer requests. This is a REAL big thing with me, and one of the main reasons why there is a communications port on the Equalizer. I want to be able to have multiple languages (a suggestion made by a customer), ability to have a custom boot up message (yet another suggestion). When you sit in the technology pit, you don't always see what would be good for your products, and our customer feedback has been incredibly valuable.

[Butterfingers]

Here are my honest answers,

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


It is because my claims are beyond the normal scope of what people have been programmed to believe as the limits of a device. Simple as that.

Sorry to say it isnt as simple as that...

I honestly know very little about microelectronics. However your answer is not the case. Your answer to this question, at least in my mind is false. The simple fact is that you come off as a person who blows alot of smoke and that puts alot of us on the defensive. We have NO problem accepting the extraordianry. Its just the way you present it that makes us cynical. The fact that you tend to avoid questions just makes it worse. It makes people think you have somthing to hide.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz



Because I do not produce common place products. I seek to produce products that exceed the boundries of what is considered the maximum level. It is by no accident that these products are doubted. I want to make things that will make people feel that way... and when they get them in their hands, and the reviews are done, I was right. The money and the fame in the industries I have been involved in are truly meaningless to me. It's that look on the doubters face when they realize they were wrong that keeps me going.

Actually, no. Your products are good yes... But the reason your products spark controversey is beause independently derived results differ than your stated results. 30 fps dropoff at 14 bps PUHLEZE. It would be lucky if it showed 2 fps dropoff with the stock board at that ROF. At best we can call this claim highly exaggerated. We are not attacking your technology we are attacking your claims. So far you have not proven ANY of our concerns wrong. I think you will be hard pressed to prove that the stock board is in fact the reason for dropoff. Considering cledford's methods were far superior to yours. The fact that you avoid and sidestep the aquestions does not help either. The fact that you change claims to fit your situation does not help.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


My marketting tactics are the simple truth. Mix that with the product specifications, and you're bound to have a mass of nay-sayers.

I love my potential customers. We have implemented a lot of changes based on customer requests. This is a REAL big thing with me, and one of the main reasons why there is a communications port on the Equalizer. I want to be able to have multiple languages (a suggestion made by a customer), ability to have a custom boot up message (yet another suggestion). When you sit in the technology pit, you don't always see what would be good for your products, and our customer feedback has been incredibly valuable.

So you dont think calling a PIC controller a state of the art microprosessor isnt exaggerating a LITTLE. How about the confirmed LIES about 30 fps of dropoff that never existed? And the confirmed LIE about how 14 bps isnt 14 bps when waveform analysis actually confirmed it was 14 bps on the dot?

We will continue to laugh harder than you ever will until you address the concers presented.

Sereously,

If you honestly beleive your answers are the "Real" reasons. You either don't understand us or you are just on a self imposed self rightous high of arrogance and ignorance.

I encourage other members to reply to these same questions honestly and accurately so WAS can see and perhaps learn the million dollar question of why...

Let me tell you a story of me...

Being a whiz kid isnt all that it is cracked up to be. Isolation from activities outside of the acedemic realm often leaves us devoid to the feelings and intentions of others. I admit to being ignorant when I was younger most notably up to my first 2 years of highschool. In 8th grade I was invited to a national science convention in brookhaven national labs and took honorable mention for my work on plant biology, I was always on the top of my class. I *thought* I was smarter than anybody else. The last 2 years of highschool my life changed. I had joined the football team. At first I thought my colleauges were just the stereotypical jocks. I always thought I was right and that they didnt understand me. The truth is I just didnt listen...

Take that as you will...

[WickedAirSportz]

But the reason your products spark controversey is beause independently derived results differ than your stated results.

One person, one gun, one set of results.

Good grief. This is a million dollar a month marker that is being sold here. Do you honestly believe that NO testing was done here, and these numbers came out of thin air? Top that off with the fact these numbers were derrived from an independant source that I would like to believe to be a bit more accurate than Cledford's numbers (no offense Cledford).

[manike]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
It is because my claims are beyond the normal scope of what people have been programmed to believe as the limits of a device. Simple as that.

I was going to say "don't be so arrogant" but I am not sure that's possible with you. The reason that a lot of us do not believe you or your claims, is because we also have skills and abilities in these areas and have the ability to think for ourselves.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
One person, one gun, one set of results.

Which from your original claims of how you were making the equaliser is also how you were conducting your tests. And which sparked a lot of complaints in case the dropoff issues you claimed to see were just from your gun as an isolated case.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Good grief. This is a million dollar a month marker that is being sold here. Do you honestly believe that NO testing was done here, and these numbers came out of thin air?

That's exactly what I believe. Especially since you change the numbers as people debunk your claims. I think you made something which offered an improvement and then made up numbers and hype to push it. I don't believe your numbers because there is NO PROOF whatsoever of those numbers and despite your promises to provide it you still haven't. It's vapourware.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Top that off with the fact these numbers were derrived from an independant source that I would like to believe to be a bit more accurate than Cledford's numbers (no offense Cledford).

You had the numbers derived from an independent source? hhmm, first you claimed you did the testing, then you tried to bluff me that AGD did the testing and now you are claiming 'an independent source'? Who is that source is it Bob Long? I'm going to ask him next time I talk to him about how he tested the guns

And then you attack Cledford's numbers claiming someone elses' to be more accurate? how can you do that without knowing how Cledford achieved his results?

Let me leave you with the definition of hype (no it's not WAS's marketing' )

I will believe your claims on the turbo rev and equaliser when you provide proof. Once again you have typed a lot, said nothing, and prooved only that you like to be evasive. It appears from research on the net, that you were like this in other industries that you were involved in.

Instead of being evasive why not just post some proof. Until then those of us that also know what we/you are talking about will continue to show those you try and hype why they need to be careful about your products.

manike

[WickedAirSportz]

The reason that a lot of us do not believe you or your claims, is because we also have skills and abilities in these areas and have the ability to think for ourselves.

Huh? How much sense does that make? That's like saying I don't believe that time travel is possible because I have the skills to think its not.

Which from your original claims of how you were making the equaliser is also how you were conducting your tests. And which sparked a lot of complaints in case the dropoff issues you claimed to see were just from your gun as an isolated case.

What I posted was a small sample of what testing was conducted. It would be foolish to believe that only one gun was tested during the entire development period. It would be foolish to think only a dozen were tested too.

I will likely never be forthcoming with information in a competitive environment. That is not practical business sense. Give enough information to prove your point (even if there are those who don't believe it), but not enough to allow others to compete against you...

That's exactly what I believe. Especially since you change the numbers as people debunk your claims. I think you made something which offered an improvement and then made up numbers and hype to push it. I don't believe your numbers because there is NO PROOF whatsoever of those numbers and despite your promises to provide it you still haven't. It's vapourware.

Yep, you got me. I made the whole thing up. There isn't even a board... it just a piece of paper that my 4 year old colored.

I don't change anything, I merely provide a little more information. I believe I have provided ample proof. I sleep fine at night.

You had the numbers derived from an independent source? hhmm, first you claimed you did the testing, then you tried to bluff me that AGD did the testing and now you are claiming 'an independent source'? Who is that source is it Bob Long? I'm going to ask him next time I talk to him about how he tested the guns

I did do the testing... so did a LOT of others. If you think I am actually going to provide you (or anyone else) with all of the information during a product's development, you have another thing coming. Smoke and mirrors - no lies, just not telling everything. This is normal in the computer industry. Please do speak with Bob. He may not tell you anymore than I will, but he may tell you everything. That is of course up to him. The project is done at this point, but there will still be secrets kept about the board so that other manufacturers do not copy key elements from it.

And then you attack Cledford's numbers claiming someone elses' to be more accurate? how can you do that without knowing how Cledford achieved his results?

Cledford told me how he obtained his results in a PM. There are lots of little details like this that you are not aware of until now.


I guess my confusion is once I do provide you the holy grail of proof that you are so desperately seeking, then what?

[manike]

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
Huh? How much sense does that make? That's like saying I don't believe that time travel is possible because I have the skills to think its not.

LMAO, you really are an obstinant and arrogant person. You imply you are right because the only person who can understand what you are saying is yourself? What a joke.

What we are discussing is NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, it's pretty simple physics and mathematics (well maybe that is rocket science in your terms and the hype you use, but it's easy enough for most to understand given a little coaching through the principles).

I'm happy enough in my understanding of these fields that I can call your hype and claims for the absolute rubbish that they are. In return you have nothing but hot air. I have no need to try and baffle the 'audience' with long words and terms in the hope they will not understand me and take what I say for granted as true, like you do. In fact although I could act that way I go out of my way to do the opposite and make it that people can understand me and the theories and physics involved. You have no plausible theory, you have no evidence, you site 'competition' as the reason you do not provide it? and you expect people who do have evidence to the contrary to believe you?

I'm waiting for you to claim cold fusion in a test tube next.

Practical business sense is to be able to back up what you claim. You can not, and it appears you have quite a history of claiming things you can not back up.

When cornered you argue over semantics and act more like your 4yr old child than someone who actually has the ability to prove their claims.

You said you would provide video's of your claims, and we are still waiting for them. Have been for a long time, and I only expect to get more hot air out of you rather than the video's to back up your claims.

What happens when you come up with proof? You will get an apology from me for outrightly calling you a liar, and will be held aloft as achieveing something outside the realms of reality. Wow, you should be falling over yourself to come up with the proof! I think you are an outright liar about how the Turbo Rev works. I do not believe your theory is even remotely plausible, and you either know that and are selling hype to make money or you are crazy enough to actually believe the ridiculous hypothesis you have made.

At the moment, your refusal to provide proof, and your arrogance that we will not understand it if you did, just makes you come across as a snake oil salesman.

The king is naked and we can all see that.

manike

[manike]

Hey WAS. Here is an easy claim for you to prove for us to show you aren't full of BS. You said...

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
You just can't argue with the fact that a gun set to shoot at 18bps (in full auto) empties the hopper in a just a few seconds, without breaks, chops, or misses. This is what we are seeing with the TurboRev upgraded hopper.

I won't argue with that if you show it Put a turbo rev on your intimidator and empty it at 18bps in a few seconds.

I believe that was also claimed for any gun, so please also turn the ACE off and show it how it can do it without chops

How's that for an easy start for you? Shouldn't be too difficult for you to do should it?

manike

[WickedAirSportz]

I'll do you better than that... this test was conducted by a respected author for APG (Paul "Doc" Koch), using his Tippman Model 98 with an experimental e-bolt.

[manike]

I don't see anything yet...

A video please, not just an article with 'words'

manike