Sniper/ military guns really make a difference.

[nathanjones008]

I have been playing for over five years now. When i first started playing i saw all these guns made for sniping. I saw phantoms( which i think are still around) Even autocockers that are pump/ sniping. Now i see spyders and many other brands with all these sniping upgrades, like stocks, e dots, 20 inch barrels and so forth. At my local proshop they makes tons off sniping anf military looking guns (tippmans primarly). My question is This all hype? These guns ( sniper/ military guns) claim to the the most accurate. Is this a noob trap?


thanks.

seriously i see some of my friends spend so much money on upgrading these types of guns. Are they wasting their money?

[Pacifist_Farmer]

My question is This all hype?

yes

These guns ( sniper/ military guns) claim to the the most accurate. Is this a noob trap?

yes, also refered to as good marketing

Are they wasting their money?

They are wasting money if they believe the hype. If their goal is to have a milsim marker, then no. Some people very much enjoy milsim, but if they think the ball leaving the end of their barrel has different properties than the one leaving any other barrel, they need a reality check.

[nathanjones008]

Yes, my understanding is , ANY gun that has a good reg and a good paint/barrel match then the outcome will be the same.

[Lohman446]

All hype? No.

As others have stated, in a vise, any marker with comparable velocity and consistancy at the end of a decent undamaged barrel will shoot with the same distance / accuracy / consistancy as any other.

However... consider the following

A longer barrel: A longer barrel will not give you better range / accuracy. However it will give you a longer sighting platform.

A stock: A well fit marker will be held steadier, allowing you to be more like "a vise" used in the counterexamples of why upgrades don't work. It allows you to hold it more consistantly shot to shot, and provides a more stable platform, allowing better perceived accuracy.

Do they help the marker be more accurate? No. Do they help the shooter - often yes

[Pacifist_Farmer]

very well said, and excellent points

[Warwitch]

Do they help the marker be more accurate? No. Do they help the shooter - often yes

QFT.

[MANN]

Do they help the marker be more accurate? No. Do they help the shooter - often yes

I am not so sure about that. I tried a milsim marker last weekend, and felt like I was carring a tank. Couldnt really run/snapshoot/shoot in general. IMO it make it harder to shoot with the stock/sling/24" barrel/crap.

[Lohman446]

I am not so sure about that. I tried a milsim marker last weekend, and felt like I was carring a tank. Couldnt really run/snapshoot/shoot in general. IMO it make it harder to shoot with the stock/sling/24" barrel/crap.

A well set up one will provide you a more stable platform - not faster.

Stability and ease of point shooting are far different, the variances apply to paintball.

[Rudz]

All hype? No.

As others have stated, in a vise, any marker with comparable velocity and consistancy at the end of a decent undamaged barrel will shoot with the same distance / accuracy / consistancy as any other.

However... consider the following

A longer barrel: A longer barrel will not give you better range / accuracy. However it will give you a longer sighting platform.

A stock: A well fit marker will be held steadier, allowing you to be more like "a vise" used in the counterexamples of why upgrades don't work. It allows you to hold it more consistantly shot to shot, and provides a more stable platform, allowing better perceived accuracy.

Do they help the marker be more accurate? No. Do they help the shooter - often yes

helpful post


7, change the number bro

[kruger]

I am not so sure about that. I tried a milsim marker last weekend, and felt like I was carring a tank. Couldnt really run/snapshoot/shoot in general. IMO it make it harder to shoot with the stock/sling/24" barrel/crap.

And, there is the trade off. Unless you are talking about a 12 gram pump gun, the trade off is more weight, and a bulkier set-up. The Mil-Sim crowd, mostly is going for the "look". And getting the "look" cost's your marker extra weight to tote around. I learned very quickly that if some do-dad doesnt help the performance of the setup that I was trying to build, then it didnt get put on. But, that is just me. Lots of folks just love the idea of shooting an M16 look alike, or an AK 47. To them, its just about the look.

[Ninjeff]

not everyone like the way your supposed to hold a paintball gun either. Some prefer the feel of rifles.

[C.J.]

I have been playing for over five years now. When i first started playing i saw all these guns made for sniping. I saw phantoms( which i think are still around) Even autocockers that are pump/ sniping. Now i see spyders and many other brands with all these sniping upgrades, like stocks, e dots, 20 inch barrels and so forth. At my local proshop they makes tons off sniping anf military looking guns (tippmans primarly). My question is This all hype? These guns ( sniper/ military guns) claim to the the most accurate. Is this a noob trap?


thanks.

seriously i see some of my friends spend so much money on upgrading these types of guns. Are they wasting their money?

A basic stock of some kind can be useful for stabilizing a paintball marker. A buttplate on a CO2 tank works fine too.

That concession aside, there's little point to milsim - it IS the "noob trap" as you put it. Here's why.

Real firearms generate heat and recoil. They have to dissipate both while remaining a steady shooting platform, letting the user put a bullet on target at extreme range. That's why they look and operate the way they do.

Paintball markers do not generate heat or recoil. They have to be small, light-weight and maneuverable and the shooter is NOT concerned about long distance precision as paintballs don't go 150 yards... 150 feet at best.

Milsim is entirely for looks. Some of the best milsim paintballers - the ones that build things like custom AK47's or M1 paintball markers - will admit they've got no chance holding something like an M249 "milsim" paintball marker if they get into a gunfight against a guy with a tournament electro.

If you choose to play with milsim gear you are disadvantaging yourself against everyone else.

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I want to win and I find it frustrating when my gear is a limiting factor when I could just as easily have had other gear.

I used to own an SP-8. It was HUGE - not compared to real firearms but compared to what a "traditional" paintball marker is: small, with a barrel about a foot long and a vertical foregrip that may house a regulator.

I use an Automag now. I win gunfights I couldn't with the SP-8 because I couldn't snap shoot or maneuver the SP-8 as quickly as a typical paintball marker.

Remember: distances in paintball are under 150', most of the time, much closer. It's more of an advantage to be "maneuverable" than "precise."

It's up to you. I don't see the point in disadvantaging myself. I'm not playing "war games." I'm playing paintball.

[nathanjones008]

great point

A basic stock of some kind can be useful for stabilizing a paintball marker. A buttplate on a CO2 tank works fine too.

That concession aside, there's little point to milsim - it IS the "noob trap" as you put it. Here's why.

Real firearms generate heat and recoil. They have to dissipate both while remaining a steady shooting platform, letting the user put a bullet on target at extreme range. That's why they look and operate the way they do.

Paintball markers do not generate heat or recoil. They have to be small, light-weight and maneuverable and the shooter is NOT concerned about long distance precision as paintballs don't go 150 yards... 150 feet at best.

Milsim is entirely for looks. Some of the best milsim paintballers - the ones that build things like custom AK47's or M1 paintball markers - will admit they've got no chance holding something like an M249 "milsim" paintball marker if they get into a gunfight against a guy with a tournament electro.

If you choose to play with milsim gear you are disadvantaging yourself against everyone else.

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I want to win and I find it frustrating when my gear is a limiting factor when I could just as easily have had other gear.

I used to own an SP-8. It was HUGE - not compared to real firearms but compared to what a "traditional" paintball marker is: small, with a barrel about a foot long and a vertical foregrip that may house a regulator.

I use an Automag now. I win gunfights I couldn't with the SP-8 because I couldn't snap shoot or maneuver the SP-8 as quickly as a typical paintball marker.

Remember: distances in paintball are under 150', most of the time, much closer. It's more of an advantage to be "maneuverable" than "precise."

It's up to you. I don't see the point in disadvantaging myself. I'm not playing "war games." I'm playing paintball.

Great reply! I held one of those aka type guns other day at a shop. That sucker weighed like 10- 12 lbs no kidding! That is a total disadvantage!

[SnatchForFree]

And don't think pump=accuracy or sniper(well kinda, I'll get into that). I don't know why we get all this hype seeing as how most pumpers know this fact. And if you hear the term sniper when in a pump conversation. They may mean a pump autococker. Which is called a sniper.

[kruger]

. I'm not playing "war games." I'm playing paintball.

And, some of us are playing war games, we just use paintball gear.