***** July Classic MOTM Vote *****

[[NA]WARLORD]

Good for all then, not sure why you'd even get involved with such corruption in the first place with nothing to gain. Is that why you moved to Florida too.

Either way , have a great day.

Some people don't need personal gain to feel like a winner, but its not that I feel the contest is corrupt, I just feel there should be more stricter guidelines. Classic as in Classic mag/minimag with some ups, of that time period, not a full blown custom piece, FPT has a beautiful Mag, I agree, to me, whomever was selling the blue X Valves should have donated one to FPT so he could finish the look of it the right way, but thats just me. But, its not a classic, in anyway shape or form, its a custom. Also, when someone says "July" others aren't expecting August entries to be permitted, a simple delete of thread and a pm saying July is locked, Go post in the August thread would have been the right thing to do but this isn't the case. So, since I felt it was unjust, I backed out since technically, there was only two actual Classics presented, and by some of the other posts, I see I wasn't the only one who felt this way.

I moved to Florida at the suggestion of a friend due to my work experience and haven't regretted it since, unless you count dating the psycho in Deltona, but thats irrelevant at this point in time. One of my first stops was off of 100 in beautiful downtown Bunnell, when my buddy who used to work in a computer shop right in front of PTP said that there was a paintball store over there and I needed a fill to sell a marker in Palm Coast, I had sold the week prior to moving to Fl. To save the guy shipping charges, I met him at PTP so the guy, other then Forrest (forget his name) could check it out for the buyer before he bought it. So, not only am I not corrupt, but a damn nice guy to boot. I just felt this was a Classic contest, not just a Custom contest and felt like I got the short end of the stick, ohh well, live and learn.

You have a nice day too

[RRfireblade]

Some people don't need personal gain to feel like a winner, but its not that I feel the contest is corrupt, I just feel there should be more stricter guidelines. Classic as in Classic mag/minimag with some ups, of that time period, not a full blown custom piece, FPT has a beautiful Mag, I agree, to me, whomever was selling the blue X Valves should have donated one to FPT so he could finish the look of it the right way, but thats just me. But, its not a classic, in anyway shape or form, its a custom. Also, when someone says "July" others aren't expecting August entries to be permitted, a simple delete of thread and a pm saying July is locked, Go post in the August thread would have been the right thing to do but this isn't the case. So, since I felt it was unjust, I backed out since technically, there was only two actual Classics presented, and by some of the other posts, I see I wasn't the only one who felt this way.

Where do you draw the line between some 'ups' and a Custom ? Most would say there are no Mag 'ups' for starters. (I hate that term BTW , thankfully this is NOT PBN) :) Then your left with changing parts around. Where do you draw the line between swapping a rail and milling one ? Buying a colored part or re-anno ? What's an 'up' anyway , an aftermarket part like a grip frame or an AGD part like a pump kit ? Your really asking for is a TON of rules and guidelines to cover all that , plus that's just barely scratching the surface.

I guess it's a waste of breath to continue this discussion but I for some reason I am feelinging the need to understand why you wish this contest to be so seriouly strict and structured ? Is the term fun completely lost on you ? Seems like. I'm am flattered though at the value you place on my T Shirts.

You say I'm on a power trip cause I'm too flexable , then you want me to make the rules to be more structured and more stict . . . I don't understand that mentallity , really I don't. Would not a heavy handed , rule enforcing un-flexable contest not be MORE powetrip like ? I'm lost on that. Yet you feel your point of view for my contest is the only valid one . . . power trip ? And this all over an entry posted within a day of the end of the month . . . I don't get the extemist in that. FYI , tons of bill collectors grant grace periods before penalization. Credit cards are almost a month before interst , Car payments are often up to 10 days , Ultilities will let you go weeks before cutting off services. Flexibility is 'usually' a good thing.



The rules of MOTM , as I have run it for YEARS now , have not changed give or a take a sentence here or there. The intent of the contest has always been crystal clear as has been the intended Fun content. In addition , I clearly state that there is NO specific marker for each catagory , NO specific criteria required. It's subjective as is ANYTHING that get's judged. You should have been well aware of all that long before you entered and long before you decieded to trash my efforts here i, impeach those involved and do so in a completely inappropriate place . . . oh yeah , against the rules regarding text posts.

Hmmm yet again.

I always purposely put a greatly diverse type of contestant in the finals , MANY MANY times putting in MORE than the 5 I state in the so called rules. I leave it up to the voters to pick from there , interpret thier own idea of what qualifies and excels. I don't know how to make it more fair and fun than that. Looks at your entry for example , was it not 'Classic' ? Did I not put it in the finals ? Yet . . . was it even close to winning ? (not trying to be mean , just saying) Sounds alot like sour grapes to me. Would you have been happier if markers were excluded just so you can win ?

I'll tell you what tho since I nice guy and will never be on a power trip , if this was contest is so important to you and you feel like you've been wronged , PM me your addy and I'll send a shirt (in your size) to make amends.

Besides that , I'll take your concerns under advisement but I will tell you that I seriously doubt I'm ever going to make MOTM the heavily structured , rules laden , catagory specific , ran with an iron fist contest that you would like it to be. That's just not my style nor is it the kind of attitude that has made AO the forum that is is today. :) Perhaps you might like to read the contest before you deciede to particiapte. That may save you some grief in the future.


I also would like to appologize GREATLY to all participants for the fact that I allowed this discussion to happen here , it should not have , it's not fari at all to you guys. I should have asked all of it to be pulled but perhaps it will clear up questions lke this in the future. Regardless , I am sorry that it may have pulled attention from those who deserved it . . . the finalist.

All finalist will get T-Shirts as my apology. AGD shrts for the runner ups and MOTM of course for the winner. Make sure you all contact me after with addys.

Thanks,

Jay.

[[NA]WARLORD]

I have said what I needed to say on this, and I didn't see anything about text posts in the voting section, only in the contest itself. As for being stricter, not really, mainly defining the difference between Classic and Custom as you seem to have both Classics and Customs in the Classic section, yet all customs in the custom section, seems like a double standard to me. But, I guess that is a concept you fail to see. I did read the rules and as in the past competitions it seemed pretty cut and dry, just seems this month you tried to cut some corners in an effort to save some time, don't know, only you can answer that one. I was always told to be fair and impartial as well as if your going to do a job, do it right the first time, because first impressions make lasting impressions.

As far as the power trip, it was directed to your statement as to "its over when I say its over" bs. That just rubbed me the wrong way and made me think lesser of you as your letting this go to your head, so to speak. This will be my last post on the issue, but in an effort of fairness to all, you really should reconsider your judging criteria on the two different areas, or just have one big contest and let anyone enter anything. I mean, you have two areas to judge from, yet you combined two classes in one and added a separate class all together. How is that fair ?

It was never about me winning or losing, but the fact that you put 3 customs in the classic section then had a totally separate section for customs, it just doesn't make sense to me. You need to redefine the criteria for Classic section, as everything else will fall into the custom section. That is my biggest issue and what I have been trying to say the entire time.

I'll tell you what tho since I nice guy and will never be on a power trip , if this was contest is so important to you and you feel like you've been wronged , PM me your addy and I'll send a shirt (in your size) to make amends.

No thanks, I have officially withdrawn and wouldn't wear it anyway, its the principle of the thing, no offense. Its a nice shirt, but I wouldn't feel right owning something I didn't win or earn, but thats just me. Thanks for the offer. You just hearing me out and my thoughts is all I ask.

As for reading the rules, yeah, I read them, re-read them and this is the area that threw me the most:

This MOTM will also include an "Old Skool , Classic Mag competition ! ! Dust 'em off ,shine 'em up and let's see some Old Skool Mag Repp'in. Looking for anything falling under the guise of Old Skool , presumably lots of SS parts. but that will be open to interpretation. Could be rare , unique or just plain old.

Please state which division you want to be in (Open or Classic) in case it could go either way.

To me, that defines 2 separate classes, and even you point out which class to put as " It could go either way". Just so I don't feel like its just me, several people have expressed the same opinion I have, so obviously I am not alone in my way of thinking:

But I had to give it to Aronsmith because poontang used an X-valve and this is supposed to be the Classic MOTM.

yea the x valve KILLS the classicness of fpt's pump, still a work of art!

Lately, the only thing making most of these mags "classic" are the valves. Everyone is all decked out w/ ULE bodies, warp feeds, custom annos, etc.

A true classic.

I'm with you on this one G.
"Classic" should be "Old School" not just a classic valve.

Rob you get my vote. Sorry guys but I only see 2 classic mags on here.

[A-Tach-One]

Is this contest so important to you that you must rant on? Maybe you should try enjoying life, cause this MOTM contest is meant to be all in good fun.







Good luck to all the entries!

[Thotograph]

I feel like Robert's best meets the criteria for a classic mag motm contest... the others all have components on them that too me are new school (despite two of the three being pumps). Given the classic theme I think his not only meets the criteria... but is my choice on a personal level. I love the grips (have a pair myself) and there's not many pistol converted mags out there that are this clean and functional. That doesn't take anything away from the others though because they are all very well done.

[[NA]WARLORD]

Is this contest so important to you that you must rant on?

Is this thread so important to you that you have to rant on my ranting ?

[A-Tach-One]

Is this thread so important to you that you have to rant on my ranting ?

Get happy bro.

[Beemer]

Ok I had to remove a few posts. Thats it. Its gone far enough. Back to voting.

You withdrew yourself from the contest and I would say this thread also. I get the last word and thats it. No more. Sorry you missed the FUN part.

[RavishingEddie]

I went for roberts gun on this one. All the guns are beauties but to me the pumps look as if they are trying to look like already existing pumps. Roberts gun looks unique and plus I know that I would get a lot of kills with that setup because it will shoot like any of those other pump mags without having to cock it. I do give a lot of credit to the beauty of all the guns though. Any one on those would certainly make me do a double take if a saw one in my field.